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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIF Trump's defense relies on any of the arguments
being used in public by his allies, then he has no defense.
Are we going to have lawyers demonstrate to jurors how bathroom door locks work?
The defense is going to be entirely motions and witness/evidence challenges. Maybe some Kamikaze "Expert" witnesses who will have weird ideas about the powers of ex-Presidents.
So far, I have seen no effort given to refute or challenge the case presented in the indictment. None.
riversedge
(80,808 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)And that because he thought it, it's a done deal.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Courts love the thing criminals hate most evidence and truth Kryptonite, to be feared..
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)Other than, say ... one's spouse checking the other's computer and phone
Frasier Balzov
(5,060 posts)I can hear that argument being put forward a LOT.
Barr seems persuaded that the Espionage Act puts Trump in hopeless jeopardy of criminal punishment.
GoodRaisin
(10,922 posts)Not sure what else he could use to explain his behavior. He could fit the profile of a hoarder who had lost touch with reality because of age related hardening of his arteries.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,835 posts)This press release was released after the indictment and makes clear that all of TFG's claims about complying with the Presidential Records Act are false
Link to tweet
https://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2022/nr22-001#June-9-2023-statement
Recent media reports have generated a large number of queries about Presidential records and the Presidential Records Act (PRA), 44 U.S.C. 2201-2209. The PRA requires that all records created by Presidents (and Vice-Presidents) be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) at the end of their administrations. Below is additional information about how NARA carries out its responsibilities under the PRA. Please note that the PRA treats the records of the President and those of the Vice President in almost the same manner such that, in most cases below, President and Vice President can be used interchangeably.
How much time do outgoing Presidents have to go through their papers to determine what to retain as personal documents?
The Presidential Records Act (PRA) requires the President to separate personal documents from Presidential records before leaving office. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The PRA makes clear that, upon the conclusion of the Presidents term in office, NARA assumes responsibility for the custody, control, preservation of, and access to the records of a President. 44 U.S.C. 2203(g)(1). The PRA makes the legal status of Presidential records clear and unambiguous, providing that the United States reserves and retains complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records. 44 U.S.C. 2202. There is no history, practice, or provision in law for presidents to take official records with them when they leave office to sort through, such as for a two-year period as described in some reports. If a former President or Vice President finds Presidential records among personal materials, he or she is expected to contact NARA in a timely manner to secure the transfer of those Presidential records to NARA. ...
How are documents in the White House determined to be an official Presidential record or a personal record?
The Presidential Records Act (PRA) defines what constitutes Presidential records and what are personal records. 44 U.S.C. 2201. Personal records include diaries, journals, or other personal notes serving as the functional equivalent of a diary or journal which are not prepared or utilized for, or circulated or communicated in the course of, transacting Government business.
The PRA also requires that all documentary materials be categorized as Presidential records or personal records upon their creation or receipt and be filed separately. 44 U.S.C. 2203(b). The President does not have discretion to categorize a Presidential record as a personal record. ....
What are Presidential records under the Presidential Records Act (PRA)?
"Presidential records means documentary materials created or received by the President, the Presidents immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.
Tree Lady
(13,282 posts)until after the election he plans to steal.
I think that is why he got rid of his last lawyer just as excuse to delay.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)For delays--before Smith indicted him.
I don't see him getting very far, other than firing his attorneys over and over. and even that will grow tiresome for even the most TFGian of judges.
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)otherwise, they are open to be entered. Stupidest argument in the whole circus.