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applegrove

(132,227 posts)
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 06:02 PM Jun 2023

Russia's Population Nightmare Is Getting Worse

Russia’s Population Nightmare Is Getting Worse

June 1, 2023 at 5:51 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 1 Comment

https://politicalwire.com/2023/06/01/russias-population-nightmare-is-getting-worse/

"SNIP......

The Economist: “A demographic tragedy is unfolding in Russia. Over the past three years the country has lost around 2m more people than it would ordinarily have done, as a result of war, disease and exodus.”

“The life expectancy of Russian males aged 15 fell by almost five years, to the same level as in Haiti. The number of Russians born in April 2022 was no higher than it had been in the months of Hitler’s occupation. And because so many men of fighting age are dead or in exile, women now outnumber men by at least 10 million.”

.........SNIP"

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Russia's Population Nightmare Is Getting Worse (Original Post) applegrove Jun 2023 OP
"Chinese Siberia" coming soon to a theater near you. roamer65 Jun 2023 #1
I was just gonna mention that EYESORE 9001 Jun 2023 #2
I hear Poland is eyeing a Kalingrad takeover too. brush Jun 2023 #5
I heard that too EYESORE 9001 Jun 2023 #6
Putin's war has shown Russia's once-feared army is just third rate... brush Jun 2023 #9
Japan wants the Kiril Islands back. zuul Jun 2023 #10
10 million more women than men in Russia? Wow!! LiberalFighter Jun 2023 #3
Easy place for a Proud Boy to get laid? calguy Jun 2023 #7
Ship 'em over on one-way tickets! WestMichRad Jun 2023 #12
There are limits nt Xipe Totec Jun 2023 #13
Start pushing those Russian Bride websites. Russia then changes to allow polygamous marriages. TheBlackAdder Jun 2023 #26
Mail Order Russian Bride bucolic_frolic Jun 2023 #4
Actually I'm thinking the Russian women would pay to come here FakeNoose Jun 2023 #27
10M more women was my biggest emotional reaction also. Hortensis Jun 2023 #8
That's very interesting. Thanks for sharing, Hortensis. brer cat Jun 2023 #11
1991 started their transition to a Market Economy, right around the time of lower birth rates. TheBlackAdder Jun 2023 #28
That was never really mentioned after WW1.... Mustellus Jun 2023 #14
This Calculating Jun 2023 #19
Authoritarian Gov'ts can push a population for growth. WarGamer Jun 2023 #15
Easiest go-to: ban abortion & restrict contraception to zero.Russia did so in the USSR & will again Hekate Jun 2023 #25
Conservatives to move to Russia... Immigrants keithbvadu2 Jun 2023 #16
Do they get a free Russian wife Calculating Jun 2023 #20
I think they would be disappointed. Most Russian wives want to move to America. keithbvadu2 Jun 2023 #21
A failure of Putinesque dimensions brought to you by ... Putin. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2023 #17
If Russia has a lick of sense remaining, they should turn the whole damn country over to the women. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2023 #18
If Russia had any sanity left they would end the war immediately Calculating Jun 2023 #22
Ugh! No to more kids! Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #30
So they're stealing Ukrainian children? moondust Jun 2023 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author applegrove Jun 2023 #24
I don't care where it happens in the planet... Sky Jewels Jun 2023 #29

EYESORE 9001

(29,736 posts)
2. I was just gonna mention that
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 06:08 PM
Jun 2023

‘Nice and roomy here. Mind if we just move in and make ourselves at home? Asking for millions of family and friends back home.’

EYESORE 9001

(29,736 posts)
6. I heard that too
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 06:21 PM
Jun 2023

Crossing all the bridges in Kaliningrad is on my bucket list, and I’d rather do it under a Polish flag.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
9. Putin's war has shown Russia's once-feared army is just third rate...
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 06:33 PM
Jun 2023

as ukraine, a nation a third its size has fought it to a stalemate, possibly worst, so other surrounding countries are reassessing their prospects.

And uptin's perch is not so seure now.

We might be watching karma play out.

zuul

(14,704 posts)
10. Japan wants the Kiril Islands back.
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 07:44 PM
Jun 2023

There might not be much of Russia left after everyone reclaims their territory.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
3. 10 million more women than men in Russia? Wow!!
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 06:14 PM
Jun 2023

How many are single that don't want to be?

Should be an opportunity for Magat followers.

WestMichRad

(3,259 posts)
12. Ship 'em over on one-way tickets!
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 07:56 PM
Jun 2023

I might even be willing to spring for a ticket or two.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
26. Start pushing those Russian Bride websites. Russia then changes to allow polygamous marriages.
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 12:32 AM
Jun 2023

.

Except the women cannot move to the USA, they must stay in Russia.

Half of the MRA types will move there in a year. Of course, only if they never have to fight in a war.

.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. 10M more women was my biggest emotional reaction also.
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 06:26 PM
Jun 2023

Remembering how WWI wiped out an entire generation of young men in some nations. My aunt never married, the big initial reason was that; she was 18 when the war ended.

This is a comparison of the Russia vs U.S. population age pyramid as of 2020, before things got even worse for Russia. The prognosis was already grim, the largest group in their 40s with still years of work ahead but followed by smaller groups with no way to reproduce enough to support all the aging older cohorts. And even with Russia's declining health system, in future people won't be dying off as soon as in the past.

Due to immigration, the U.S. is in good shape for the future, better than most advanced nations.



Btw, this is a projected world population pyramid through 2100. It shows how much longer humans are living and also that for now reproduction globally is keeping pace with need to support long lives.





TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
28. 1991 started their transition to a Market Economy, right around the time of lower birth rates.
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 12:43 AM
Jun 2023

Mustellus

(418 posts)
14. That was never really mentioned after WW1....
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 08:47 PM
Jun 2023

but the population balance recovered in a generation. No one asked who the fathers were.

Human males evolved to have thirty go out to kill a mammoth, and have twenty eight return. No problem, the females and kids are able to eat.

Unfortunately... this works for huge war losses too

Calculating

(3,000 posts)
19. This
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 10:59 PM
Jun 2023

There's a reason why one guy can impregnate a lot of women. Obviously you still need a decent amount of males in your society to keep things going, but having an excess of females is actually preferable to having an excess of males like China.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
25. Easiest go-to: ban abortion & restrict contraception to zero.Russia did so in the USSR & will again
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 12:15 AM
Jun 2023

They don’t need no steenking tax incentives. They’ll stamp out some new “Hero Mother” medals out of tin, though.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
21. I think they would be disappointed. Most Russian wives want to move to America.
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 11:12 PM
Jun 2023

I think they would be disappointed.

Most Russian wives want to move to America.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,782 posts)
18. If Russia has a lick of sense remaining, they should turn the whole damn country over to the women.
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 09:03 PM
Jun 2023

KY..........

Calculating

(3,000 posts)
22. If Russia had any sanity left they would end the war immediately
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 11:25 PM
Jun 2023

Bring the boys home, and use all the money they were spending on war for family incentives to have multiple children. Have 4+ kids and the government will help you buy a home or something.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
30. Ugh! No to more kids!
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 01:25 AM
Jun 2023

(Yes to ending the war immediately though.) I hope the population continues to drop there and elsewhere. I wish it would in the USA. Our planet is melting down because of humans, the worst species of all.

Response to applegrove (Original post)

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
29. I don't care where it happens in the planet...
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 01:23 AM
Jun 2023

a falling human population is good. … Now, if you’re a person whose life span is shortened, well, then, no, it’s obviously not good for you as an individual. But for all the non-human beings, plants, oceans, rainforests, etc., the mega trend is 👍👍.

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