Manchin Threatens to Repeal His Own Bill

[applegrove]

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Manchin Threatens to Repeal His Own Bill

April 29, 2023 at 1:34 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 84 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2023/04/29/manchin-threatens-to-repeal-his-own-bill/

"SNIP........

“West Virginia political observers were not surprised when Sen. Joe Manchin appeared on Fox News on Monday to make a stunning threat: He could be persuaded to vote to repeal his own bill, the Inflation Reduction Act, if the Biden administration pushed him far enough,” CNN reports.

“The conservative Democratic senator reiterated this to CNN, saying he would ‘look for every opportunity to repeal my own bill’ if the administration continued to use the IRA to steer the US quickly towards the clean energy transition and away from fossil fuels.”

..........SNIP"

Applegrove:

See reply #13 in this thread if you want to feel better.

[VMA131Marine]

1. I'm really getting tired of Manchin

The sooner we get a couple more Democratic Senators I really just want to tell Manchin to go pound coal. He should be promoting renewable energy, which will create far more jobs in the long run, in his state. Is he too short-sighted to realise that or is this about protecting the doomed family business.

[Mr.Bill]

2. His own bill?

Did he write it?

[applegrove]

3. Didn't do nitty gritty negotiations with Biden to come up with it?

[Mr.Bill]

5. I don't remember exactly,

but I think it was more like he demanded a lot of changes then had to be dragged kicking and screaming to vote for it.

[Rebl2]

6. It's not

your bill manchin

[Wounded Bear]

7. Taking money out of his pocket by moving away from fossil fuels...

All about the bottom line.

[walkingman]

8. I wish someone would give his an EX-LAX pie - he is full of shit.

[tritsofme]

9. He's running for reelection in a state where Biden did not crack 30%

If he can figure out a way to win, I don’t care what he says.

[Celerity]

15. He's doing far more damage to Biden (he just threw Biden under the bus on the debt cliff) & the rest

of our party with his posturing for a small chunk of mouthbreathing Rethugs back in WV than he is aiding himself in what is probably going to be a fairly large loss to Justice, who has outflanked Manchin on the left (Justice is on record supporting mich of the Biden frameworks for the BIF and BBB, the ones Manchin and Sinema, with help from the conservative and/or centrist Dems in the Hpise Problems Solvers Caucus helped to eviscerate) and the right.

Manchin is a walking, talking RW talking points machine with that Democratic Party label cover to add legitimacy for the Rethugs attack adverts that will be cut using his anti Democratic Party agenda smears.

Link to tweet

[LakeArenal]

10. In five minutes there will be a thread saying how we shouldn't be mean to Manchin.

That’s right, coddle your blackmailer.

[doc03]

11. I think Manchin is done this time he has Gov..Justice running against him. They

are already running ad on split screen Manchin and Biden together. I am surprised he hasn't switched parties already.

[2naSalit]

12. Temper tantrum Joe says what?

This is yet another reason we need to vote in many more Dems to Congress, both houses.

[lapucelle]

13. All the pearl clutching over the posturing of a Democrat running for reelection in a Trump +60 state

Folks here realize that Biden would veto any repeal, correct? And folks also realize that we want Manchin to win reelection, right?

Think it through.

[applegrove]

14. I feel better thanks.

[Celerity]

16. You actually shouldn't. It's a worn-out, flawed argument/excuse-making rationalisation at this point

He is doing more damage to Biden and our party as whole than he is aiding himself try to appeal to WV Rethugs.

see:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217870628#post15

[lapucelle]

17. "Because I asserted so earlier" is not evidence for the present claim any more than

"because I think so" is evidence for the previous claim.

[Celerity]

18. That is just process sophistry and has nothing to do with any sort of rebuttal of my clearly stated

original argument.

Here it is in full, as you seem to think that my linking to it instead of posting it again in full somehow makes it invalid (it doesn't):

Post 15

He's doing far more damage to Biden (he just threw Biden under the bus on the debt cliff) & the rest of our party with his posturing for a small chunk of mouthbreathing Rethugs back in WV than he is aiding himself in what is probably going to be a fairly large loss to Justice, who has outflanked Manchin on the left (Justice is on record supporting much of the Biden frameworks for the BIF and BBB, the ones Manchin and Sinema, with help from the conservative and/or centrist Dems in the Hpise Problems Solvers Caucus helped to eviscerate) and the right.

Manchin is a walking, talking RW talking points machine with that Democratic Party label cover to add legitimacy for the Rethugs attack adverts that will be cut using his anti Democratic Party agenda smears.

Link to tweet

[lapucelle]

21. I read it the first time. Once is enough, thanks.

[betsuni]

20. +1

[applegrove]

22. But Biden can veto. That is good.

[Celerity]

23. Yes, but that was always a given. The damage Manchin does is to Biden and our party as a whole

with his constant undermining (in this case an ex post facto undercutting of a bill HE HIMSELF VOTED FOR) of Biden and the party's (as a whole) messaging AND even our hard-won, wonderful legislative accomplishments.

As a Democratic caucus member himself, that fact lends a certain weight to his RW talking point typology of attack. It gives undue perceived legitimacy for the Rethugs to take Manchin's words/criticisms and then to attack Biden and the Party as a whole with a 'see even your own party member think it is shit' line of bollocks.