Happy Confederate surrender day to all those who celebrate the defeat of treason. #Appomattox

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[republianmushroom]

1. like the posting

thank you

[LiberalFighter]

2. 158 years ago.

Considering what happened back then maybe they should have only allowed one Senator for each of those states.

[ThoughtCriminal]

3. I celebrate by flying the Last Confederate Flag!

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[Duppers]

5. Love it!

[jaxexpat]

7. Just a regular Confederate battle flag .......

after 158 years of whitening washes.

[TNNurse]

4. This lifelong southerner,

and descendant of a Confederate soldier certainly celebrates.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

16. I have some of those traitor ancestors in my family tree

But I'm not a lifelong southerner.

A southerner in the family once asked me what I thought about Gone with the Wind.

Book or movie, since I was familiar with both?

After that surprise wore off, it was, so what did you think? From the big s**t-eating grin, I knew the fool expected gushing praise.

My answer: "If it weren't for the twisted love story of Rhett and Scarlett, you could have ended the book and the movie right after Rhett says that the south would only bring cotton slaves and arrogance to a war--which wouldn't be enough to win it. Everything after that, all ten gazillion pages or hours of it, is simply about proving him right. What a bore."

[TNNurse]

20. My father's family was dirt poor for generations.

I am not ashamed of that heritage. He may have needed food and clothes and this was a way...for awhile.

My Mother's brother on the other hand, searched for someone who did not buy their way out of fighting for the Confederacy. He never found one, much to the delight of my generation. Pretty sure there were landowners (known as slave owners) in that group.

[Aristus]

18. Same here.

All of my ancestors who fought in the Civil War fought for the Confederacy. Doesn’t mean I have to follow their lead; they were traitors, pure and simple.

Shoot, I’m only two generations removed from the Klan. But their ghosts can all go fuck themselves forever for being horrible human beings.

Warm Spring mornings, the smell of honeysuckle, biscuits and gravy for breakfast, and paralyzingly good barbecue for dinner. That’s the extent of my nostalgia for the South.

[Wounded Bear]

6. K & R...nt

[The Jungle 1]

8. Lee should have been hung at Appomattox!

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

13. CSA flag officers are lucky

That they weren't all executed for treason.

That's what tended to happen to traitors like them after other insurrections.

[ITAL]

15. They never would have surrendered

If they had thought they'd be immediately executed. It would have been a guerrilla war for the next 50 years.

[erronis]

9. I won't dig into a bunch of musk's curated tweets, but here's a real link to a real article.

by a real historian.

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/april-8-2023

[orthoclad]

10. Seems to be a pattern

"As soon as the papers were signed, Lee told Grant his men were starving and asked if the Union general could provide the Confederates with rations. Grant didn't hesitate. "Certainly," he responded, before asking how many men needed food. He took Lee's answer—"about twenty-five thousand"—in stride, telling the general that "he could have...all the provisions wanted.""

So the plantation cavaliers led their people into death and misery, and the Union bailed them out.
"...the Confederates who had ridden off to war four years before boasting that their wealthy aristocrats would beat the North's moneygrubbing shopkeepers in a single battle were broken and starving, while, backed by a booming industrial economy, the Union army could provide rations for twenty-five thousand men on a moment's notice."

Now the oligarchs give their people dashing heroes (at least in their imagination), and the working class bails them out.

edit: from the link above.

[Boomerproud]

11. My gggrandfather lost his left arm at the Battle of Shiloh.

Indiana calvary. I would love to know what the motivation was to enlist. He was a day laborer in the 1860 census as a 18 yr old so the 25.00 bounty might have been tempting.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

12. Oh happy day!

Those traitors deserved far worse than what they got in the aftermath. If I'd had a say, the entire south would have been pathetically grateful to become states again after, oh, 75 years of being territories.

And that was only for starters!

[WarGamer]

14. Normal people reflect on the sadness of 600,000 dead Americans...

Instead of pumping your fist like at an Alabama v Auburn game.

That's approx 2% of the US population being KIA in the war...

Or in 2023 terms, 7 million KIA.

[edhopper]

17. For years

i did not know that Appomattox Court House was the name of the town. I always thought it was the Court House in the town of Appomattox.

[Aristus]

19. Pretty common in the rural South back then.

Instead of having a town as the county seat out in sparsely populated areas, there was often just a cluster of houses around the county courthouse.

[thucythucy]

21. And here's a comment about "Confederate Memorial Day:

[Rhiannon12866]

22. Twitter replies:

BTW, Grant's Cottage - where General Grant convalesced and died - is just down the road from here. My grandmother, who was big on history and knew the caretaker, often brought us there as kids. And now they have frequent historical presentations during the summer season.

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[Hermit-The-Prog]

29. An image extracted...

[Rhiannon12866]

30. Wow! Thanks for the enlargement!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

32. I just took the image location link from a tweet you posted.

Twitter always adds something like "format=jpg" and "small".

[Rhiannon12866]

33. Thanks for the instructions and that's one very interesting document...

[usonian]

23. "If Grant Had Been Drinking at Appomattox" by James Thurber.

http://02dddd4.netsolhost.com/poetry/Grant.shtml
Artwork by Thurber himself

[electric_blue68]

24. Yay! Everybody but poor Texas for ? another year +? 2 yrs?

[ITAL]

25. If you're talking about Juneteenth

It is June 19th, 1865. So, roughly 2.5 months later.

Of course, slavery continued in Kentucky and Delaware up until the 13th Amendment was ratified in December of 1865. Since they were loyal to the Union their slaves were not freed by the Emancipation Proclamation (neither were Missouri's or Maryland's, but those two states freed their slaves before the end of the war) and both kept the institution till the end.

[electric_blue68]

28. Oh, Duh me! Yes, was thinking Juneteenth 2.5 Months waaay better that 2+ yrs.

Oh, boy,further complications there Kentucky & Delaware. At least Missouri, and Maryland did better.


Bad enough my city NYC, didn't end slavery till July 4, 1827, and racism kept on going.

[ITAL]

31. Most don't seem to

But yeah, four slave holding states did stay loyal to the Union, and thus were not affected by the Emancipation Proclamation. Missouri freed theirs January 11th, 1865. Maryland did so a couple of months earlier (November 1st, 1864).

Kentucky and Delaware were the last slave holding states and neither was particularly happy giving up slavery considering they'd stayed loyal throughout the war.

It's one of the reasons when people say the war wasn't fought over slavery while I don't agree, but I also don't think it entirely was either. For the South, yes it was mostly about slavery. For the North, that is not really true at all. The North mostly fought for Union, with abolition being important, but secondary (and for many it was important more as a military measure to cut the guts out of the southern war effort than as a true humanitarian thing). And that's especially true with for the four border states who stayed true to Union. And likely, if they'd left, the South would have had a much greater chance of winning (at the very least Washington DC would have been abandoned as the nation's capital city).

The Civil War is pretty complicated.

[DemocraticPatriot]

26. Robert E. Lee understood when the war was definitely over....

and resisted his comrades who wanted him to disperse what was left of his army into the mountains, to fight a guerrilla war which might have lasted for decades further. Instead, he made the right decision... and afterwards supported the re-unification of our country.

Lee was never a "pro-slavery fire-eater"-- indeed, he freed a number of the slaves, which he had inherited, before it was legally mandated... the war freed the rest. Those that he did free, he was concerned that they would have the means to live independently, before he released them ...

Yes, he fought for the wrong side, but I do not personally believe that the issue of slavery made any difference in his decision one way or the other... He mostly fought to protect his own homeland, "Virginia", from 'invasion'... and to protect his family from the same.

YES, he made the wrong decision--- but he was never any "Nathan Bedford Forrest"...

mostly, he was just a life-long soldier who chose to fight for his home,
which happened to be the ABSOLUTELY WRONG SIDE...


NO, I don't think any statues should be maintained to him anywhere,
but I think that any big hatreds against the southern confederacy
would be more appropriately directed elsewhere---

such as against the previously mentioned Nathan Bedford Forrest,
who was a slave-trader before the war,
and founded the KKK afterwards....



Regardless, Lee should not be regarded as any kind of 'hero' ANYWHERE in the United States--
he gave up that chance when he refused Lincoln's offer to command the army of the union.

He was only a great soldier, who chose to fight for the wrong side.

[electric_blue68]

27. Truthfully I didn't know this about April 9. But I'll remember now. I know...

who Grant, Sherman, and Lee were.

The name Appomattox did sound familiar, but not why.