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So Kinzinger tries to blame Dems for the mess that is the ReTHUG pRty (Original Post) malaise Dec 2022 OP
Can you believe this: montanacowboy Dec 2022 #1
He is a qpuke. Lips moving. He is lying. SheltieLover Dec 2022 #2
No way! inthewind21 Dec 2022 #3
Guess he's Rebl2 Dec 2022 #14
said this in another thread, he can fuck right off, he said we tacitly or openly also call for civil Celerity Dec 2022 #4
Even Nicole cut him off eventually malaise Dec 2022 #5
they are talking about how he said we are playing with fire by aiding MAGAts winning primaries Celerity Dec 2022 #6
Jolly destroyed the BS well malaise Dec 2022 #7
Yes he did... Deuce Dec 2022 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Dec 2022 #10
Good reminder from Maya Wiley malaise Dec 2022 #11
+100000 Celerity Dec 2022 #12
I would love for Maya to be on the SCOTUS! Samrob Dec 2022 #26
+1 H2O Man Dec 2022 #31
Right. H2O Man Dec 2022 #32
Well said malaise Dec 2022 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Dec 2022 #34
And it mostly worked. n/t Mr.Bill Dec 2022 #15
which is probably why he was whingeing about it Celerity Dec 2022 #16
+1, uponit7771 Dec 2022 #20
Murc's Law ck4829 Dec 2022 #8
Great Moments In Murc's Law Celerity Dec 2022 #9
I'm guessing Murc's Law was the inspiration for this flow chart: W_HAMILTON Dec 2022 #22
+1 Celerity Dec 2022 #25
Didn't know that, all this time I've been calling it "Why didn't/don't Democrats stop Republicans betsuni Dec 2022 #36
He's Still Far More Palatable Than 99% Of The repubs Still In Congress nt SoCalDavidS Dec 2022 #13
Yes but that is like saying... Caliman73 Dec 2022 #17
Former freedom caucus member budkin Dec 2022 #18
Ding ding malaise Dec 2022 #19
No He Wasn't ProfessorGAC Dec 2022 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Dec 2022 #27
Thanks malaise Dec 2022 #28
Sorry for the wrong information budkin Dec 2022 #29
No Problem ProfessorGAC Dec 2022 #30
Kinzinger/Cheney HAB911 Dec 2022 #23
. Takket Dec 2022 #35
K&R spanone Dec 2022 #37
He also said that Roosevelt and Lincoln were both Republicans Greybnk48 Dec 2022 #38

montanacowboy

(6,714 posts)
1. Can you believe this:
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 05:14 PM
Dec 2022

WTF?????? Whoa Adam.....still a repuke at heart. Stop swilling your shit, STFU.

I turned it off. No need to listen to drivel.

Celerity

(54,413 posts)
4. said this in another thread, he can fuck right off, he said we tacitly or openly also call for civil
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 05:17 PM
Dec 2022

war or conflict

fuck that POS

Celerity

(54,413 posts)
6. they are talking about how he said we are playing with fire by aiding MAGAts winning primaries
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 05:21 PM
Dec 2022

so we have an easier general

Response to Celerity (Reply #6)

H2O Man

(79,056 posts)
32. Right.
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 10:24 PM
Dec 2022

It is the same with Cheney, too. I'm glad both are on the Committee, and respect that. But they are both conservative republicans that I do not share any other common ground with.

Response to H2O Man (Reply #32)

ck4829

(37,765 posts)
8. Murc's Law
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 05:23 PM
Dec 2022

The widespread assumption that only Democrats have any agency or causal influence over American politics.
By attacking the Democrats for not blocking a tax bill that they unanimously opposed, you revealed yourself to be a firm believer in Murc's Law.

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Celerity

(54,413 posts)
9. Great Moments In Murc's Law
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 05:33 PM
Dec 2022
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/12/great-moments-murcs-law



Murc’s law, for the uninitiated, is the widespread assumption that only Democrats have any agency or causal influence over American politics. I can now present the definitive example of the genre:



Yes, not only are Democrats responsible for the passage of a law zero Democrats voted for — a few more BLISTERING speeches and Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan would have totally realized that upper-class tax cuts are wrong! — they secretly wanted it to pass. And we know this because if Democrats are talking about the Mueller investigation they by definition cannot be critiquing Republican domestic policy. For example, here’s Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, talking about the Mueller investigation rather than critiquing Republican domestic policy:

Today’s passage of the partisan tax bill officially cements the Republican party as the party of the wealthy and the party of big corporations against the middle-class and the working people of this country. Why? President Trump, his rich fans, cabinet members and donors, and the biggest corporations make out like bandits, while the middle class gets crumbs and tax hikes. Corporations get permanent tax breaks; individual tax breaks expire.

By 2027, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation, 83 percent of the middle class — almost 145 million American families will either get a tax increase, or see a tax change of less than $100. Meanwhile, according to the Tax Policy Center, the top 1 percent of earners reap 83 percent of the benefits. Let me say that again, middle class: 83 percent get an increase of taxes, or a decrease of less than $100. Top 1 percent: 83 percent of the benefits.

So it’s no surprise when President Trump admitted this morning that the corporate rate was the biggest factor in their plan. Middle- class America is asking. They’re scratching their heads. Why does the top get far more than I do? Why do I get a tax increase, when so many of them get a huge decrease?

This bill doesn’t sit well with the American people right now, and it will not sit well with the American people next year. So when middle-class families see their taxes go up, they’ll know Republicans are to blame. When middle-class families see their health premiums rise, they’ll know Republicans are to blame. And when middle-class families see billions more in stock buybacks and dividends going to wealthy shareholders instead of increased wages or new jobs, they’ll know Republicans are to blame.

So while Republicans will own every nook and cranny of this awful tax bill, Democrats are going to fight like hell to stop Speaker Ryan and the Freedom Caucus from ending Medicare and cutting Medicaid.


Will Dems ever stop talking about Russia? Wait — it gets even better:



Fair — why, to find a Democrat running on tax increases you would have to travel deep into the obscure mists of history to find Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign, the most neoliberal campaign in the history of neoliberalism.

Look, I can understand that it’s pretty embarrassing at this late date to have spent the campaign that gave us President Trump literally recycling inane bullshit generated by Steve Bannon. Given the amount of damage Trump, Ryan and McConnell are doing and the sheer cruelty of the contemporary Republican Party, it looks really bad to have said that you can “imagine myself voting for Hillary Clinton—but only if David Brock, her nemesis turned promoter, were holding a gun to my head.” But at this point it’s really better to admit that you were wrong than to be made to look considerably more ridiculous.


betsuni

(29,079 posts)
36. Didn't know that, all this time I've been calling it "Why didn't/don't Democrats stop Republicans
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 10:43 PM
Dec 2022

from (fill in the bad thing)?" It has a name! Part of the Both Sides belief that if Democrats really wanted to stop the bad Republican things they could, they just don't want to. Don't "fight for" or "stand up to."

Just saw an ad urging President Biden not to run again because he's "status quo." Right, because the Biden administration is just the same as a Republican one? Status quo is only used to bash Democrats, so what exactly the hell does it mean?



Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
17. Yes but that is like saying...
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 06:53 PM
Dec 2022

I would choose to eat the ass out of a dead rhinoceros rather than eating shit.

ProfessorGAC

(76,710 posts)
21. No He Wasn't
Thu Dec 15, 2022, 07:50 PM
Dec 2022

He came in on the stupid tea party wave, but he fell out with that crowd in very short order.
This was a purple district when he first got in, and benefitted from huge money spent by RNC to unseat Deb Halvorson. He was a hard right fiscal conservative, like a libertarian, and was big on defense spending, thinking low taxes & a big military were the answer to everything. He beat Manzullo in the primary after a district redraw. He moderated his rhetoric, & his actions, for general election.
Recognizing the nature of the redrawn 16th, he distanced himself from idiots like Jordan, Cantor, & others. Cantor took credit for his 2012 win & expected fealty. He told them to get lost. They hated him after that.
The Freedom Caucus primaried him in 2014, 2016, & 2020. He trounced all of the challengers, even after outside money in '16 had him outspent nearly 2:1. He was greatly outspent in '14 too, with Club For Growth targeting him for being insufficiently anti-Obama
He was not on good terms with them, as far back as 2012.
He came in on the initial nutjob wave but was never an active part of the crazies.
I disagree with him politically, in nearly every way, but he's not, and never was one of "them".
I've spoken to him several times. He's actually a decent, pleasant guy. He's just wrong about everything politically.

Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #21)

ProfessorGAC

(76,710 posts)
30. No Problem
Fri Dec 16, 2022, 10:20 PM
Dec 2022

He came in during the teabag period. So, a natural assumption.
And, as he lives about 9 miles from our house, I know more detail than most here.
Besides, we agree on his being wrong about nearly everything, especially fiscal policy.

Greybnk48

(10,725 posts)
38. He also said that Roosevelt and Lincoln were both Republicans
Sat Dec 17, 2022, 01:13 AM
Dec 2022

which is technically true, they used that name. But it is not ideologically true by any stretch.

He pissed me off several times, and I would NEVER vote for him for office. But I'm still grateful for his help.

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