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demmiblue

(39,719 posts)
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 10:39 AM Dec 2022

David Schapira, a former Dem primary opponent/friend of Krysten Sinema, spills the tea:




Ok, I’ve had it. I remained silent about Kyrsten Sinema for 10 years, but it’s time to break the silence.

I always had a distaste for candidates who criticize their opponents after they lose an election. It comes off as sour grapes even if it’s well-founded. But…(1/10)

I need to scratch an “I told you so” itch. For those who weren’t around or don’t remember, after serving in the AZ legislature together for five years, Kyrsten moved into my district in 2012 to run for Congress in a Dem primary against @AndreiCherny and me.

Fair to say…(2/10)

Kyrsten and I were friends before she jumped into the AZ9 race. We spoke after her decision and committed we would not “go negative” against each other in the campaign. We held a press conference and released a joint statement saying so.

She had nothing to lose because…(3/10)

She was the front-runner in early polling w/ her firebrand reputation in progressive circles. Everyone figured I’d have to bring her down with some dirt to pull ahead. But I kept my promise and ran a clean campaign.

Things changed when my grassroots campaign pulled ahead…(4/10)

In the final months of the race, Kyrsten’s campaign spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on mail to Democratic primary voters with 2 attacks against me:

1. She said I supported John McCain for President over Obama.

2. She said I supported private-school vouchers.

So…(5/10)

Both claims were ridiculous, and she knew it. I interned for McCain when I was in college, but I was an OG @BarackObama supporter. I INTRODUCED Kyrsten to then-Senator Obama at an event in AZ and begged her to endorse him after her candidate dropped out.

On vouchers…(6/10)

I led a task force to investigate private-school vouchers and was the clearest voice against school privatization throughout our time together in the legislature. I later worked with @arizona_sos to stop voucher expansion and now work to oppose privatization outside of AZ. (7/10)

Kyrsten broke a promise to me and AZ voters to run a clean campaign. She lied about a friend to win an election. She later apologized and told me she had to do it or she would have lost, as if that made it okay.

And that brings me to the moral of this story…(8/10)

Kyrsten is the worst kind of hypocrite. Believe it or not, her core beliefs align with the progressive values of @TheDemocrats, BUT there is nothing she won’t say or do to increase her notoriety or importance. She will abandon values and friendships to climb to the top. (9/10)

As she leaves the political party and the voters who gave her political life, people will say she is crazy or stupid, but those people don’t know her. She is level-headed and brilliant, but she will stop at nothing and step on anyone to get what she wants.

(10/10)

P.S. Call it sour grapes, but it’s all true.

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David Schapira, a former Dem primary opponent/friend of Krysten Sinema, spills the tea: (Original Post) demmiblue Dec 2022 OP
"There is nothing she won't say or do to increase her notoriety or importance" dalton99a Dec 2022 #1
"She will stop at nothing and step on anyone" Captain Zero Dec 2022 #15
+1. iluvtennis Dec 2022 #29
I agree. My advise to her chocolatpi Dec 2022 #61
She amplified her notoriety: She managed to be just as detested as Ted Cruz--a monumental feat! TheBlackAdder Dec 2022 #31
"highly lucrative career after the Senate" InstantGratification Dec 2022 #40
"Power corrupts. Absolute power..." cachukis Dec 2022 #2
IOW... NQAS Dec 2022 #3
I Think The Difference CitizenZero Dec 2022 #62
Color me not surprised... Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #4
Yep, the backstabbers. KS Toronado Dec 2022 #7
bald-faced lies. barbtries Dec 2022 #5
toxic narcissist. NewHendoLib Dec 2022 #6
+1 n/t area51 Dec 2022 #13
Oh she is neither crazy nor stupid, rather the opposite onetexan Dec 2022 #8
+1 2naSalit Dec 2022 #10
That was clear True Blue American Dec 2022 #46
She's just another grifter.... paleotn Dec 2022 #9
If Machiavelli were a grad student doing a dissertation on her, we would have........ DFW Dec 2022 #11
thread winner Celerity Dec 2022 #18
+1. yonder Dec 2022 #47
The ends justify the means... dlk Dec 2022 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Fullduplexxx Dec 2022 #14
Sounds like the profile for Anti-Social Personality Disorder. Phoenix61 Dec 2022 #16
Someone from AZ on here knew her IbogaProject Dec 2022 #17
As an Independent Cinema (sic) won't have a primary challenger OMGWTF Dec 2022 #19
As 'agingdem' so aptly put it, she wants to be just like Manchin when she grows up: RICH peppertree Dec 2022 #20
She's an attention seeker as well. Snarkoleptic Dec 2022 #21
+1 dalton99a Dec 2022 #38
It'll be a long drop to the bottom relayerbob Dec 2022 #22
She'll be on fox spews awesomerwb1 Dec 2022 #26
I wonder if we'll hear about the catfights with Tulsi... keep_left Dec 2022 #42
Her Brilliance Will Help Her When She is Forced to Look for New Job in 2024 Stallion Dec 2022 #23
A Narcissist Sociopath who has Progressive Values MarcA Dec 2022 #24
Hey David, your a day late and a buck short Ray Bruns Dec 2022 #25
Sinema obviously has a personality disorder Onama Biden Man Dec 2022 #27
She's cooked. She has no future. Yavin4 Dec 2022 #28
Unfortunately she seems to be doin' alright so far. calimary Dec 2022 #36
She's a sitting senator. Yavin4 Dec 2022 #39
Joe Lieberman? Happy and gratified to say no on that one. calimary Dec 2022 #45
I don't think Lieberman is a great example for your point. former9thward Dec 2022 #53
Lieberman had money Cinema doesn't. uponit7771 Dec 2022 #59
Sinema has plenty of money. former9thward Dec 2022 #65
with dem infrastructure, she's not rich IINM. OTOH if she does have that kind of money find out uponit7771 Dec 2022 #66
Lieberman had great name recognition and a long history in the state Yavin4 Dec 2022 #60
Where is he now? former9thward Dec 2022 #64
She doesn't need money right now and there's no way DNC is going to allow he to Lieberman the uponit7771 Dec 2022 #58
"..She has no money.." I think this is the biggest part of why she's toast. uponit7771 Dec 2022 #57
How would that effect her future? quakerboy Dec 2022 #63
My own belief is that Sinema was an oligarch plant from the beginning Uncle Joe Dec 2022 #30
+1 dalton99a Dec 2022 #34
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2022 #32
We need to run a strong dem candidate in '24, let her run as an independent and move on PortTack Dec 2022 #33
The ends rarely justify the means, and politicians who behave unethical or immorally to Martin68 Dec 2022 #35
Ambition, ego Quanto Magnus Dec 2022 #37
We need a Sinema enema Blue Owl Dec 2022 #41
Am I allowed to say she is a pathetic piece of shit? JusticeForAll Dec 2022 #43
Wow.. and there it is.. just Cha Dec 2022 #44
K & R & Retweeted! SunSeeker Dec 2022 #48
Contradictory: LudwigPastorius Dec 2022 #49
Everything I have been reading about her lately screams NPD. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2022 #50
Yes, tell us .. Corgigal Dec 2022 #51
Good For Schipiara!! Irishxs Dec 2022 #52
I believe you. She also seems to have no core. Joinfortmill Dec 2022 #54
Fills in more of what Coventina wrote yesterday... Hekate Dec 2022 #55
K&R Poiuyt Dec 2022 #56
Comes down to what is someone willing to do for power? We saw what the Republicans have been willing cstanleytech Dec 2022 #67
Great. She's a sociopath. AZLD4Candidate Dec 2022 #68

dalton99a

(94,115 posts)
1. "There is nothing she won't say or do to increase her notoriety or importance"
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 10:43 AM
Dec 2022

and to pave the way for a high profile and highly lucrative career after the Senate


chocolatpi

(7,888 posts)
61. I agree. My advise to her
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:58 PM
Dec 2022

would be to tread carefully on the "little people" on her way up the ladder. They may be waiting for her on the way down.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
31. She amplified her notoriety: She managed to be just as detested as Ted Cruz--a monumental feat!
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 01:09 PM
Dec 2022
40. "highly lucrative career after the Senate"
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 02:03 PM
Dec 2022

I think that is her fall back position. By switching to Independent, she has taken the primary challenge that was surely coming to her completely off the table. She gets a free pass to the general election while her R and D opponents have to spend resources in the primary while she banks hers for the fight that matters.

She is daring Democrats to run a 3 way race against her and the Republican. If D's do it, she will peel off enough D voters to tank the race and hand it to the R. It's almost blackmail: Run against me and lose the seat to a Republican who will always vote against you or support me and get my vote sometimes, usually with strings attached to appease me. I think the phrase is making "the Devil's bargain."

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
3. IOW...
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:06 AM
Dec 2022

It’s all about her.

Hmmmm…. Sound like any narcissists you know? You know, experts say that psychopaths and sociopaths live among us. Narcissists also. These are mental illnesses that can in many cases be managed. In some cases not. But you have to acknowledge the illness and accept treatment. Tfg chose neither. Looks like this nutjob has chosen the same. What sad, pathetic people they are. And dangerous.

 

CitizenZero

(920 posts)
62. I Think The Difference
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 08:32 PM
Dec 2022

I think that the difference between Sinema and Trump is that Trump is a buffoon and Sinema is sharp. I believe that they are both self-interested narcissists, but Sinema is a smart one whereas Trump is a stupid one.

Wounded Bear

(64,324 posts)
4. Color me not surprised...
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:12 AM
Dec 2022

Sounds like one of those people who, after the friendship ends, you wonder if their prior friendship was at all real.

barbtries

(31,307 posts)
5. bald-faced lies.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:16 AM
Dec 2022

does anyone else remember gwbush swearing that rumsfeld's job was secure, then he was gone the day after the election? when asked why he lied, gw shrugged and said, "it was an election," and nobody took it any further than that. i'm still outraged to this day.

this story about sinema just reminded me of that. gee, sorry, it was the expedient thing to do at the time, sure you understand - and apparently many people do understand that. i'm not one of them.

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
8. Oh she is neither crazy nor stupid, rather the opposite
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:36 AM
Dec 2022

She is a calculating narcissist. Everything she does is selfserving, and hypocritic.

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
46. That was clear
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 02:45 PM
Dec 2022

The first time I noticed her on the Senate floor. Watching het in action did not change my mind.

paleotn

(22,212 posts)
9. She's just another grifter....
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:41 AM
Dec 2022

All of it is about her, not a single, solitary thing but her. But unlike GQP grifters, this move was quite slick and smart. I grudgingly give her that.

DFW

(60,182 posts)
11. If Machiavelli were a grad student doing a dissertation on her, we would have........
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 11:50 AM
Dec 2022

"The Princess"

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Phoenix61

(18,828 posts)
16. Sounds like the profile for Anti-Social Personality Disorder.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 12:11 PM
Dec 2022

They do well in careers where having a conscience limits your options. Seems she had chosen well.

IbogaProject

(5,911 posts)
17. Someone from AZ on here knew her
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 12:13 PM
Dec 2022

And said she was a agent of chaos or some such. She had dated someone in their family and wouldn't go into details. The other big red flag is she avoids press and constituents.

OMGWTF

(5,131 posts)
19. As an Independent Cinema (sic) won't have a primary challenger
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 12:15 PM
Dec 2022

She will take votes from the Dem and give us Rethuglican Senator Kari Lake.

peppertree

(23,339 posts)
20. As 'agingdem' so aptly put it, she wants to be just like Manchin when she grows up: RICH
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 12:17 PM
Dec 2022

And if she has to sell her mother to make it happen, so be it.

relayerbob

(7,428 posts)
22. It'll be a long drop to the bottom
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 12:24 PM
Dec 2022

When she discovers she has burned every bridge. I hope after 2024 to never hear her name again.

keep_left

(3,210 posts)
42. I wonder if we'll hear about the catfights with Tulsi...
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 02:21 PM
Dec 2022

...whose own career has followed a similar trajectory to Fox News. Watch out for the back stabbers, Tulsi!

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
24. A Narcissist Sociopath who has Progressive Values
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 12:28 PM
Dec 2022

who wants to be in charge and rule others.

Onama Biden Man

(40 posts)
27. Sinema obviously has a personality disorder
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 12:39 PM
Dec 2022

She acts like an agent of chaos and behaves like like people with narcissistic and sociopathic tendencies. She justifies her immorality by what she believes is best for herself ; everyone else be damned. She may be intelligent, but she is also reckless. Sinema needlessly torched her own political career. There is no way she will get re-elected. She’ll never win running as an independent. She’ll never be the nominee for the republican or democrat ticket. Being the agent of chaos and narcissist that she is, she’ll probably run as an independent to split the democratic vote and hand the republican the seat. Once that happens, her political career will officially be vaporized. She’ll probably then become a lobbyist and continue to enrich herself because we have such a fucked up political system that allows it. If she would have been a loyal democrat and supported the party and the president, she would have had a long career in the senate. She did this to herself.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
28. She's cooked. She has no future.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 12:41 PM
Dec 2022

Sure, the media will do their level best to prop her up, but she has no constituency. She has no money, no ties, no loyalty. Nothing. The entire state will hate her eventually.

calimary

(90,017 posts)
36. Unfortunately she seems to be doin' alright so far.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 01:28 PM
Dec 2022

I don’t like her. And I certainly don’t trust her - any farther than I can throw my house.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
39. She's a sitting senator.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 02:01 PM
Dec 2022

So, yeah, she's doing okay...for now, but her future in politics is bleak. It's really hard to get elected to office, esp. statewide offices, without a major political party behind you. Yes, there are some quirky states like AL, ME, and VT, but they are the exception due to their population size/makeup and the familiarity of their incumbent senators.

She's going to the route of Joe Lieberman. Haven't heard from that dude in a while have you?

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
53. I don't think Lieberman is a great example for your point.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 05:20 PM
Dec 2022

He was defeated for re-election in his Senate primary and then ran as a Independent in the general election. He won, beating the Democratic primary winner by 10 points.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
65. Sinema has plenty of money.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:15 PM
Dec 2022

In AZ she ran non stop commercials this spring and summer before our August primary. On all the networks. She wasn't even on the ballot. Those commercials were not free.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
66. with dem infrastructure, she's not rich IINM. OTOH if she does have that kind of money find out
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 06:37 AM
Dec 2022

... where it comes from no doubt.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
60. Lieberman had great name recognition and a long history in the state
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:43 PM
Dec 2022

He was Al Gore's running mate. He never ran for another term bc he knew he would be toast. Where is he now?

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
58. She doesn't need money right now and there's no way DNC is going to allow he to Lieberman the
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 07:38 PM
Dec 2022

... party again.

quakerboy

(14,864 posts)
63. How would that effect her future?
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 09:01 PM
Dec 2022

All she has to do is be able to pull a few percent of democrats in a GE and she becomes a highly paid kingmaker. And then after the election she just has to come out and be an outspoken critic of democrats to get lots of press and payments.

Uncle Joe

(65,133 posts)
30. My own belief is that Sinema was an oligarch plant from the beginning
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 12:51 PM
Dec 2022

They're just playing both sides.

Thanks for the thread demmiblue

PortTack

(35,820 posts)
33. We need to run a strong dem candidate in '24, let her run as an independent and move on
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 01:13 PM
Dec 2022

Otherwise we have a sometimes poor democratic senator that will continue to hold the party hostage.
Yes, we may lose the seat, but to continue to play her game for another 6 years…NO!

She’s not worth it.

Martin68

(27,741 posts)
35. The ends rarely justify the means, and politicians who behave unethical or immorally to
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 01:18 PM
Dec 2022

win elections carry the seeds of their own destruction within them. Meanwhile, such unprincipled politicians are bound to take actions in office that are destructive in the short and the long term, because they act in their own interests, not those of their constituency. Thanks for the great piece on your relationship with Sinema.

Quanto Magnus

(1,347 posts)
37. Ambition, ego
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 01:41 PM
Dec 2022

and dishonest.... Sounds like a perfect GQP candidate.

I don't think she has core beliefs beyond her own advancement.

Blue Owl

(59,095 posts)
41. We need a Sinema enema
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 02:07 PM
Dec 2022

Cleanse us of this wretched, self-serving, ethically bankrupt hypocrite...

Cha

(319,067 posts)
44. Wow.. and there it is.. just
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 02:31 PM
Dec 2022

like was imagined.

I sense Blowback Karma in KS's future.

LudwigPastorius

(14,723 posts)
49. Contradictory:
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 03:49 PM
Dec 2022

"...her core beliefs align with (the) progressive values..."

And,..."She will abandon values and friendships to climb to the top."

If she will abandon a belief in the pursuit of power, it is not a "core belief". It is a "selling point".

Pacifist Patriot

(25,212 posts)
50. Everything I have been reading about her lately screams NPD.
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 04:01 PM
Dec 2022

Good grief I am so sick of narcissists!!!!!

Corgigal

(9,298 posts)
51. Yes, tell us ..
Sat Dec 10, 2022, 04:05 PM
Dec 2022

Keith Olberman talked some dirt about her too.

Next, tell us more. Someone, we know you’re there.

cstanleytech

(28,471 posts)
67. Comes down to what is someone willing to do for power? We saw what the Republicans have been willing
Sun Dec 11, 2022, 07:32 AM
Dec 2022

to do in their quest for it.
At one time they were the party that opposed the expansion of slavery and they were the party of Lincoln and they worked to keep the country together.
Gradually though they lost power and to gain it back they gradually started embracing people that they would not have given the time of day to 100 years ago and that is why we have the modern Republican party.
A party that corrupted itself in the bid to gain power and now they have it but they are not actually the same party and the same can happen to the Democratic party if we are not careful and if we make the same mistake the Republicans made.

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