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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDavid Schapira, a former Dem primary opponent/friend of Krysten Sinema, spills the tea:
Link to tweet
I always had a distaste for candidates who criticize their opponents after they lose an election. It comes off as sour grapes even if its well-founded. But (1/10)
I need to scratch an I told you so itch. For those who werent around or dont remember, after serving in the AZ legislature together for five years, Kyrsten moved into my district in 2012 to run for Congress in a Dem primary against @AndreiCherny and me.
Fair to say (2/10)
Kyrsten and I were friends before she jumped into the AZ9 race. We spoke after her decision and committed we would not go negative against each other in the campaign. We held a press conference and released a joint statement saying so.
She had nothing to lose because (3/10)
She was the front-runner in early polling w/ her firebrand reputation in progressive circles. Everyone figured Id have to bring her down with some dirt to pull ahead. But I kept my promise and ran a clean campaign.
Things changed when my grassroots campaign pulled ahead (4/10)
In the final months of the race, Kyrstens campaign spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on mail to Democratic primary voters with 2 attacks against me:
1. She said I supported John McCain for President over Obama.
2. She said I supported private-school vouchers.
So (5/10)
Both claims were ridiculous, and she knew it. I interned for McCain when I was in college, but I was an OG @BarackObama supporter. I INTRODUCED Kyrsten to then-Senator Obama at an event in AZ and begged her to endorse him after her candidate dropped out.
On vouchers (6/10)
I led a task force to investigate private-school vouchers and was the clearest voice against school privatization throughout our time together in the legislature. I later worked with @arizona_sos to stop voucher expansion and now work to oppose privatization outside of AZ. (7/10)
Kyrsten broke a promise to me and AZ voters to run a clean campaign. She lied about a friend to win an election. She later apologized and told me she had to do it or she would have lost, as if that made it okay.
And that brings me to the moral of this story (8/10)
Kyrsten is the worst kind of hypocrite. Believe it or not, her core beliefs align with the progressive values of @TheDemocrats, BUT there is nothing she wont say or do to increase her notoriety or importance. She will abandon values and friendships to climb to the top. (9/10)
As she leaves the political party and the voters who gave her political life, people will say she is crazy or stupid, but those people dont know her. She is level-headed and brilliant, but she will stop at nothing and step on anyone to get what she wants.
(10/10)
P.S. Call it sour grapes, but its all true.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1601255884142714880.html
dalton99a
(94,115 posts)and to pave the way for a high profile and highly lucrative career after the Senate
Captain Zero
(8,905 posts)Memo to self and others.
iluvtennis
(21,497 posts)chocolatpi
(7,888 posts)would be to tread carefully on the "little people" on her way up the ladder. They may be waiting for her on the way down.
TheBlackAdder
(29,981 posts)InstantGratification
(439 posts)I think that is her fall back position. By switching to Independent, she has taken the primary challenge that was surely coming to her completely off the table. She gets a free pass to the general election while her R and D opponents have to spend resources in the primary while she banks hers for the fight that matters.
She is daring Democrats to run a 3 way race against her and the Republican. If D's do it, she will peel off enough D voters to tank the race and hand it to the R. It's almost blackmail: Run against me and lose the seat to a Republican who will always vote against you or support me and get my vote sometimes, usually with strings attached to appease me. I think the phrase is making "the Devil's bargain."
cachukis
(3,933 posts)NQAS
(10,749 posts)Its all about her.
Hmmmm
. Sound like any narcissists you know? You know, experts say that psychopaths and sociopaths live among us. Narcissists also. These are mental illnesses that can in many cases be managed. In some cases not. But you have to acknowledge the illness and accept treatment. Tfg chose neither. Looks like this nutjob has chosen the same. What sad, pathetic people they are. And dangerous.
CitizenZero
(920 posts)I think that the difference between Sinema and Trump is that Trump is a buffoon and Sinema is sharp. I believe that they are both self-interested narcissists, but Sinema is a smart one whereas Trump is a stupid one.
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)Sounds like one of those people who, after the friendship ends, you wonder if their prior friendship was at all real.
KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)barbtries
(31,307 posts)does anyone else remember gwbush swearing that rumsfeld's job was secure, then he was gone the day after the election? when asked why he lied, gw shrugged and said, "it was an election," and nobody took it any further than that. i'm still outraged to this day.
this story about sinema just reminded me of that. gee, sorry, it was the expedient thing to do at the time, sure you understand - and apparently many people do understand that. i'm not one of them.
NewHendoLib
(61,857 posts)area51
(12,691 posts)onetexan
(13,913 posts)She is a calculating narcissist. Everything she does is selfserving, and hypocritic.
True Blue American
(18,579 posts)The first time I noticed her on the Senate floor. Watching het in action did not change my mind.
paleotn
(22,212 posts)All of it is about her, not a single, solitary thing but her. But unlike GQP grifters, this move was quite slick and smart. I grudgingly give her that.
DFW
(60,182 posts)"The Princess"
Celerity
(54,406 posts)dlk
(13,247 posts)When someone has no conscience, they can do anything.
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Phoenix61
(18,828 posts)They do well in careers where having a conscience limits your options. Seems she had chosen well.
IbogaProject
(5,911 posts)And said she was a agent of chaos or some such. She had dated someone in their family and wouldn't go into details. The other big red flag is she avoids press and constituents.
OMGWTF
(5,131 posts)She will take votes from the Dem and give us Rethuglican Senator Kari Lake.
peppertree
(23,339 posts)And if she has to sell her mother to make it happen, so be it.
Snarkoleptic
(6,235 posts)
dalton99a
(94,115 posts)relayerbob
(7,428 posts)When she discovers she has burned every bridge. I hope after 2024 to never hear her name again.
awesomerwb1
(5,103 posts)keep_left
(3,210 posts)...whose own career has followed a similar trajectory to Fox News. Watch out for the back stabbers, Tulsi!
Stallion
(6,642 posts)MarcA
(2,195 posts)who wants to be in charge and rule others.
Ray Bruns
(6,359 posts)Onama Biden Man
(40 posts)She acts like an agent of chaos and behaves like like people with narcissistic and sociopathic tendencies. She justifies her immorality by what she believes is best for herself ; everyone else be damned. She may be intelligent, but she is also reckless. Sinema needlessly torched her own political career. There is no way she will get re-elected. Shell never win running as an independent. Shell never be the nominee for the republican or democrat ticket. Being the agent of chaos and narcissist that she is, shell probably run as an independent to split the democratic vote and hand the republican the seat. Once that happens, her political career will officially be vaporized. Shell probably then become a lobbyist and continue to enrich herself because we have such a fucked up political system that allows it. If she would have been a loyal democrat and supported the party and the president, she would have had a long career in the senate. She did this to herself.
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)Sure, the media will do their level best to prop her up, but she has no constituency. She has no money, no ties, no loyalty. Nothing. The entire state will hate her eventually.
calimary
(90,017 posts)I dont like her. And I certainly dont trust her - any farther than I can throw my house.
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)So, yeah, she's doing okay...for now, but her future in politics is bleak. It's really hard to get elected to office, esp. statewide offices, without a major political party behind you. Yes, there are some quirky states like AL, ME, and VT, but they are the exception due to their population size/makeup and the familiarity of their incumbent senators.
She's going to the route of Joe Lieberman. Haven't heard from that dude in a while have you?
calimary
(90,017 posts)former9thward
(33,424 posts)He was defeated for re-election in his Senate primary and then ran as a Independent in the general election. He won, beating the Democratic primary winner by 10 points.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)former9thward
(33,424 posts)In AZ she ran non stop commercials this spring and summer before our August primary. On all the networks. She wasn't even on the ballot. Those commercials were not free.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)... where it comes from no doubt.
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)He was Al Gore's running mate. He never ran for another term bc he knew he would be toast. Where is he now?
former9thward
(33,424 posts)He is 80. Is no one allowed to retire no matter the age?
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)... party again.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)quakerboy
(14,864 posts)All she has to do is be able to pull a few percent of democrats in a GE and she becomes a highly paid kingmaker. And then after the election she just has to come out and be an outspoken critic of democrats to get lots of press and payments.
Uncle Joe
(65,133 posts)They're just playing both sides.
Thanks for the thread demmiblue




H2O Man
(79,048 posts)PortTack
(35,820 posts)Otherwise we have a sometimes poor democratic senator that will continue to hold the party hostage.
Yes, we may lose the seat, but to continue to play her game for another 6 years
NO!
Shes not worth it.
Martin68
(27,741 posts)win elections carry the seeds of their own destruction within them. Meanwhile, such unprincipled politicians are bound to take actions in office that are destructive in the short and the long term, because they act in their own interests, not those of their constituency. Thanks for the great piece on your relationship with Sinema.
Quanto Magnus
(1,347 posts)and dishonest.... Sounds like a perfect GQP candidate.
I don't think she has core beliefs beyond her own advancement.
Blue Owl
(59,095 posts)Cleanse us of this wretched, self-serving, ethically bankrupt hypocrite...
JusticeForAll
(1,222 posts)now that she is not a Democrat?
Cha
(319,067 posts)like was imagined.
I sense Blowback Karma in KS's future.
SunSeeker
(58,283 posts)LudwigPastorius
(14,723 posts)"...her core beliefs align with (the) progressive values..."
And,..."She will abandon values and friendships to climb to the top."
If she will abandon a belief in the pursuit of power, it is not a "core belief". It is a "selling point".
Pacifist Patriot
(25,212 posts)Good grief I am so sick of narcissists!!!!!
Corgigal
(9,298 posts)Keith Olberman talked some dirt about her too.
Next, tell us more. Someone, we know youre there.
Irishxs
(622 posts)Good also for The Majority Report clip. An eye opening experience!!
Joinfortmill
(21,162 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)Poiuyt
(18,272 posts)cstanleytech
(28,471 posts)to do in their quest for it.
At one time they were the party that opposed the expansion of slavery and they were the party of Lincoln and they worked to keep the country together.
Gradually though they lost power and to gain it back they gradually started embracing people that they would not have given the time of day to 100 years ago and that is why we have the modern Republican party.
A party that corrupted itself in the bid to gain power and now they have it but they are not actually the same party and the same can happen to the Democratic party if we are not careful and if we make the same mistake the Republicans made.