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Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 12:04 PM Nov 2022

What truly scares me about both Trump and Musk is....

that there is a sizeable portion (possibly half) of Americans who will slavishly support a narcissistic, corrupt, Fascist, authoritarian dictator. Musk supporters are cheering the fact that Twitter engineers have to grind out 80 hour weeks when the technical side of Twitter wasn't the problem with the company. It's the business model that's not working. Humiliating electoral defeats won't stop MAGA. Nothing will.

We're becoming a nation of cultists looking for a new cult leader. At some point, some ego maniac out there is seeing all of this and will provide that leadership.

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Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
2. DeSantis doesn't seem up to it. He's a weak clone of Trump.
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 12:17 PM
Nov 2022

Why go for the clone when you can have the real thing.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
8. Careful. De Santis is sharp, does his political homework, bends just enough when needed (shook
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 01:50 PM
Nov 2022

De Santis shook Biden's hand in the aftermath of the hurricane. That reassured lots of voters who expected tRumpian madness even there.

De Santis has lots of mad whacked out loon-right ideas, like election police, gagging professors and teachers. But he is very calculating.

2naSalit

(102,789 posts)
5. I'm hoping...
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 12:59 PM
Nov 2022

DeSatan's rope limit is pretty short, doesn't reach beyond the deepest of the deep south.

ETA:



Irish_Dem

(81,262 posts)
3. Yes people love dangerous narcissistic sociopaths.
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 12:27 PM
Nov 2022

People are so easily manipulated with outlandish lies and seem to be fine with leaders committing all kinds of crimes.

What does that say about the human race? No wonder we are headed for extinction.

magicarpet

(18,509 posts)
4. Fascists love them some,..
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 12:40 PM
Nov 2022

Big Dick Energy,...

Loud mouthed alpha males,..

Pushy tough guys looking for a scrap,..

Naughty frat boys with endless nasty comments,..

Toxic macho males,..

Gun nuts in camo head to toe,..

God fearing Christian Nationalist Nazis.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
6. Many of those engineers are indentured slaves who have harsh visa restrictions. He's exploiting them
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 01:44 PM
Nov 2022

... for his vanity.

EX500rider

(12,582 posts)
7. If they can quit if they want and if they can go back to their home country if they want..
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 01:48 PM
Nov 2022

"indentured slaves" seems a little over the top IMO as real indentured slaves can do neither.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
9. Obviously hyperbole. There are many reasons why persons like Musk can and do exploit non-citizens.nt
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 01:52 PM
Nov 2022

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. :) No, we're not becoming a NATION of cultists. But
Sun Nov 20, 2022, 02:13 PM
Nov 2022

I agree we should be scared of the ones we now know are prone, and the large numbers of others who will support and allow them to prevail.

This last election was just one heartening indication, though, that in fact approximately half of Americans are effectively totally immune. And a large portion of the other half aren't actually cultists so much as tribalists loyal to their team.

Agree the cultists (most of them strong RW authoritarians) need and will look for a new leader. Will it happen? On the right, we have names, and for sure they're already trying, but it may not come together right.

For instance, I assumed a new charismatic populist leader would try to rise on the left to serve the needs of LW cultists/authoritarians when Bernie Sanders lost the 2016 primary and mostly took a powder for some months, but...nothing. And to date still nothing, even though Sanders' mostly throwing in with Democrats to fight the impending RW fascist takeover left the field mostly open. Could the shift of the strongest LW authoritarians to join their RW counterparts help explain it, not enough authoritarian/populist energy left behind? Or maybe just that those who stayed were sobered to realize, as Bernie did, that a RW fascist movement was far bigger? Whatever, no new leader happened.

Another example, on the right, of failure of authoritarians to settle on a new leader is after the abandonment of the Tea Party by its puppeteers when it broke their leash. TPers were eager, but at least 2 to 3 mostly depressed, inactive, leaderless years passed before now-former teapartiers latched onto tRump. Ted Cruz, who's potentially as dangerous as they could want, offered himself repeatedly but didn't catch fire.

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