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Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 12:07 PM Oct 2022

Fetterman leading Oz by 5 points in Pennsylvania Senate race: survey This was taken after the debate

The results are similar to other polling showing leads the Democratic candidate has held over Oz for much of the campaign, including a 6-point advantage in a survey last week.

But the latest survey comes after Fetterman struggled on the stage during a debate against Oz last week.

The Democrat is still recovering from a stroke he had in May and has difficulty with auditory processing, which led to verbal missteps and awkward answers during the debate.

Still, about 50 percent of likely voters in Pennsylvania view Fetterman favorably, according to the New York Times-Siena college poll.

By comparison, about 49 percent of likely voters view Oz favorably.


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3712138-fetterman-leading-oz-by-5-points-in-pennsylvania-senate-race-survey/

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Fetterman leading Oz by 5 points in Pennsylvania Senate race: survey This was taken after the debate (Original Post) Demsrule86 Oct 2022 OP
Good news, but you might want to fix your link. blue neen Oct 2022 #1
Thanks sorry! Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #2
fixed the link...again thanks! Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #10
Gee it's almost as if issues mean more to voters than how easily one can speak Takket Oct 2022 #3
True that. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #7
I'm optimistic since he raised badhair77 Oct 2022 #4
I Read That Fetterman is an Introvert So Debating Would Probably Be a Challenge Indykatie Oct 2022 #6
I heard he is not a great debater and I thought he was very courageous to debate at all. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #8
He was pretty good in the primaries Polybius Oct 2022 #13
I didn't think he kicked Lamb's ass...both of the other Democratic candidates were better debaters. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #21
It was probably me being partisan against Lamb Polybius Oct 2022 #22
Very funny...at the time you didn't feel that way...you do understand either Fetterman wins or Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #23
It's not that I don't want Fetterman to win Polybius Oct 2022 #27
Maybe, but I kind of expected it to tighten as the GOP who don't like Oz decided they liked him Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #35
Fantastic news. n/t femmedem Oct 2022 #5
Yes it is...and for those who breathlessly reported right wing polls....please stop! Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #9
Hope it holds! And an A+ rating!! But to be fair, there were Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #11
Wick, Co/Effficient and Insider Advantage are not good...GOP polls... Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #17
Right. So throw em out and carry on :) Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #19
There is no point in considering them when decent polls have had Fetterman ahead the entire Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #24
Good news, but how do 49 percent of likely voters view Oz favorably? Polybius Oct 2022 #12
I actually am not sure that is correct. However, the point is Fetterman is ahead...he has always Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #14
I don't think RCP does their own polls Polybius Oct 2022 #16
RCP take money from GOP types...and can't be trusted. Sure they have different polls but their Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #18
Ahh, paywall Polybius Oct 2022 #20
538 is using parameters that really will not work in this election...but he publishes all polls Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #25
I've remained hopeful that people who saw the debate would Just A Box Of Rain Oct 2022 #15
I agree... I found it to be very courageous that he debated...the format was difficult and he had to Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #34
I was not aware of a closed caption malfunction. Just A Box Of Rain Oct 2022 #37
To be clear, this straddled the debate as it was done 24th-26th and the debate was the 25th Amishman Oct 2022 #26
Yes. That should be corrected since per NYT/Siena Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2022 #28
In the same poll, the question was asked was he healthy enough after the debate...and most Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #29
As MoJoe said, Fetterman IS Pennsylvania onetexan Oct 2022 #30
He didn't even really buy a house...he lied about that too..and he said a woman, her doctor Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #31
Exactly right! peggysue2 Oct 2022 #41
Thanks Peggy-Sue...I used to live in the Delaware Water Gap...Matamoras but I am now Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #42
No problem, Demsrule peggysue2 Oct 2022 #43
Oz's ads against Fetterman are firehosing hate. lindysalsagal Oct 2022 #32
Yup and Fetterman has been ahead the entire time...not counting the Roe vote. Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #33
He is going to be a great senator and make Pennsylvania proud! Emile Oct 2022 #36
He will be a great Senator! He was a force of nature as head of the PA legislature...they got so Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #38
Well, I must say Mr.Bill Oct 2022 #39
I do get Mr. Bill and I agree...they are incomprehensible and mean!! Demsrule86 Oct 2022 #40

badhair77

(5,181 posts)
4. I'm optimistic since he raised
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 12:13 PM
Oct 2022

over $2 million directly after the debate. It’s not his format on a good day much less with time constraints for a recovering stroke victim. I’d be terrible if someone tied me to 60 seconds. I believe a lot of others recognized that.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
8. I heard he is not a great debater and I thought he was very courageous to debate at all.
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 12:59 PM
Oct 2022

Polybius

(21,901 posts)
13. He was pretty good in the primaries
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 01:37 PM
Oct 2022

I thought he kicked Lamb's ass. You probably don't remember, but brooklynite and myself had some fierce rivalry during that primary. He backed Lamb, and I didn't.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
21. I didn't think he kicked Lamb's ass...both of the other Democratic candidates were better debaters.
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 01:58 PM
Oct 2022

It is hard to say since both wanted to have the debate about when Fetterman went out with the gun after hearing gunshots...of course the guy was later locked up for kidnapping and assault but who cares now.

https://www.wgal.com/article/democrats-to-meet-for-debate-in-us-senate-race/39789077#

Polybius

(21,901 posts)
22. It was probably me being partisan against Lamb
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 02:01 PM
Oct 2022

I was furious at him for bringing that up, and was so glad that he lost.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
23. Very funny...at the time you didn't feel that way...you do understand either Fetterman wins or
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 02:06 PM
Oct 2022

we get Oz right? And I tell you (many years of GOTV) folks don't vote if they believe we will lose...I expect most DUer's will vote but we get many lurkers here or even folks who rec things but never post. It seems to me that the constant negativity...looking for the gloom in a positive OP for example is a not a great thing to do if you want Democrats to win. I will also say that I monitor the righty sites like Freeper land. And they post negative things from our site. Just food for thought.

Polybius

(21,901 posts)
27. It's not that I don't want Fetterman to win
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 02:21 PM
Oct 2022

I do want him to win, and of course I don't want Oz anywhere near the Senate. I only acknowledge that the stroke hurt him with campaigning. Had Fetterman not have had the stroke, I think he'd be up by 10.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
35. Maybe, but I kind of expected it to tighten as the GOP who don't like Oz decided they liked him
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 06:03 PM
Oct 2022

better than Fetterman who was as always painted by the GOP as a villain and a socialist who is soft on crime.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. Hope it holds! And an A+ rating!! But to be fair, there were
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 01:29 PM
Oct 2022

Three polls since this one. Not as glowing for sure. Not highly rated by 538 tho.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
24. There is no point in considering them when decent polls have had Fetterman ahead the entire
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 02:10 PM
Oct 2022

election season...and look how things are reported...why being six points ahead according to Cook means a Toss-up but Vance being ahead by one point means he is winning...look at the polls carefully and you will see this...none consider the Roe vote either.

Polybius

(21,901 posts)
12. Good news, but how do 49 percent of likely voters view Oz favorably?
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 01:34 PM
Oct 2022

I would have thought he'd be at high 30's tops.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
14. I actually am not sure that is correct. However, the point is Fetterman is ahead...he has always
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 01:40 PM
Oct 2022

been ahead except in rightie polls like RCP, Insider Advantage, and Trafalgar who literally take money from the GOP.

Polybius

(21,901 posts)
16. I don't think RCP does their own polls
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 01:46 PM
Oct 2022

They just post other companies polls as far as I know. Today was a pretty good day for polls, except Ohio (not sure if Cygnal Tracking is reliable though).

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Polybius

(21,901 posts)
20. Ahh, paywall
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 01:58 PM
Oct 2022

Interesting though. How do you feel about 538? I have heard rumors that Nate Silver is a Republican, but I haven't found anything concrete.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
25. 538 is using parameters that really will not work in this election...but he publishes all polls
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 02:13 PM
Oct 2022

so I read him every day. I don't necessarily agree with his analysis though. I think most pollsters are missing the Roe vote. I also believe turnout means a great deal...consider the turnout for NY 19 and Kansas...and there were other races that we might not have won but were much closer than expected because of turnout.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
15. I've remained hopeful that people who saw the debate would
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 01:44 PM
Oct 2022

see Fetterman was a person who has been forthright about his challenges in overcoming the stroke and a person of courage. Unlike Oz.

Fingers-crossed.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
34. I agree... I found it to be very courageous that he debated...the format was difficult and he had to
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 06:00 PM
Oct 2022

read the question and answer within a minute...and from what I heard the CC malfunctioned.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
37. I was not aware of a closed caption malfunction.
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 06:11 PM
Oct 2022

I said it before, but who among us has not had struggles, or seen close family members, loved ones, or friends who've had to fight back against strokes, cancer, or other grave medical problems.

To me, people who survive such things come at even stronger and at the same time become even more empathetic and understanding of other people's struggles.

I'm going to believe that touches people. My gut says Fetterman wins PA.





Amishman

(5,929 posts)
26. To be clear, this straddled the debate as it was done 24th-26th and the debate was the 25th
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 02:19 PM
Oct 2022

So two pre-debate days, one post.

Still encouraging as this is a well established pollster. We haven't had enough good polls this cycle.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
28. Yes. That should be corrected since per NYT/Siena
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 02:25 PM
Oct 2022
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/31/us/politics/democrats-republicans-senate-election-polls.html

The Pennsylvania poll was largely conducted before the debate, with only one night of interviews made afterward. In calls made on Wednesday, the night after the matchup, a plurality of voters said Mr. Fetterman was not healthy enough to do the job — though Mr. Fetterman still maintained a slight lead over Dr. Oz among all Wednesday respondents.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
29. In the same poll, the question was asked was he healthy enough after the debate...and most
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 04:00 PM
Oct 2022

likely voters found he was and there are crossover GOP votes and again...Roe Roe Roe your vote.

onetexan

(13,913 posts)
30. As MoJoe said, Fetterman IS Pennsylvania
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 04:05 PM
Oct 2022

and Pennsylvanians can see thru Dr. Oz' fraud and know he's not one of them. . He is also a quack dr who made his money off quack medical claims. Most importantly, he does not live in PA. He is running to line his dirty pockets.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
31. He didn't even really buy a house...he lied about that too..and he said a woman, her doctor
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 04:10 PM
Oct 2022

and local politicians should decide if a woman can have an abortion. That alone will destroy him.

peggysue2

(12,533 posts)
41. Exactly right!
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 07:35 PM
Oct 2022

Fetterman IS Pennsylvania. Oz clearly is NOT.

As I've said from the start, I'm living in a working-class neighborhood in Delco. John Fetterman looks and sounds like all my neighbors. Though signage may be a mere anecdotal factor, the signs in my neck of the woods is 3-1 for the Democrats, all the Democrats on the ballot. To me that shows enthusiasm at the very least.

We're going to win here. And the early voting is through the roof for Dems across the State of Pennsylvania. By a factor of 50+percentage points for Dem registrants. Yes, we still have E-Day before the results will be sussed out but these are banked votes and they ain't peanuts!

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
42. Thanks Peggy-Sue...I used to live in the Delaware Water Gap...Matamoras but I am now
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 07:40 PM
Oct 2022

in Ohio. Since I know the area pretty well, I do phone bank GOTV...but I am not in PA and can't see with my own eyes what is going on. I really appreciate your insight.

peggysue2

(12,533 posts)
43. No problem, Demsrule
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 08:09 PM
Oct 2022

As I said, I'm feeling good and the stats appear to be in our favor.

We'll all know soon.

lindysalsagal

(22,915 posts)
32. Oz's ads against Fetterman are firehosing hate.
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 05:56 PM
Oct 2022

So it's frankly astounding that it's close, at all.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
38. He will be a great Senator! He was a force of nature as head of the PA legislature...they got so
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 07:00 PM
Oct 2022

mad at him they would kick him out...

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
39. Well, I must say
Mon Oct 31, 2022, 07:08 PM
Oct 2022

I understood everything he said.

People I don't understand: Trump, Herschel Walker, Lauren Boebert, Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Taylor Green...you get the picture.

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