Charlie Crist is kicking ass in the debates against DeSantis

[In It to Win It]

[MLAA]

1. Hurray!

[MLAA]

2. I can't watch it but hope he is hitting him on republicans public statements cutting social security

[snowybirdie]

3. I disagree

He's weak and I fear for his candidacy. Not bringing up anything about the awful actions that have been enacted under Ronnie boy.

[Phoenix61]

12. He definitely brought them up when I saw him.

Every time I’ve heard him speak he talks about how DeSatan is hurting LGBTQ, women, immigrants, etc.

[mcar]

30. Were you watching the same debate?

He hammered DeathSentence over and over again.

[snowybirdie]

38. I was commenting

on the debate beginning. Crist got into his stride later and did well. Hope my vote helps him!

[uponit7771]

40. +1

[mcar]

41. Ah, we missed the first minutes

[lisa58]

4. Keep posting here...

Won’t be able to watch until later

[snowybirdie]

6. Finally

School woke crap. Ronnie bringing up gender id, transgendsrs endangering girls in sports etc. Charlie gave good rebuttal. Says lets unite again.

[no_hypocrisy]

5. DeSantis is relying on "zingers" and logical fallacies.

He's no debater.

[snowybirdie]

7. Yup

Defending critical race theory now.

[certainot]

65. but he's got about 30 exLimbaugh stations and prob that many again not limbaugh and at $1000/hr

x 60 stations x 15 hrs/day x 5 days = $4.5M/week all FREE and pro desantis all anti christ, choice, demmings, LGBT, all global warming denying, and so on.

desantis is a well known dittohead, a limbaugh student and acolyte, and those zingers were probably just the usual rw radio talking points

and 20 of those stations would probably lose half their advertisers if the 5 universities that endorse them with sports broadcasting would reread their mission statements.

from fakenewsradio.org Florida 10, Florida St. 4 Miami 2, South Florida 2, Central Florida 2

desantis wouldn't have had a chance the first time and the only reason republicans have any chance in 90% of the elections after what they've done is dem leadership ignorance of rw radio. it's absurd

[OtterDave]

67. Remember how much we hated him when was a maga natzi (R)?

I voted against him back in the day.

[Baitball Blogger]

8. He needs to keep it up.

Especially pointing out where De Santis takes credit for things that other people have passed.

[In It to Win It]

9. Yes! I thought that was good

[Baitball Blogger]

10. Moderator sucks.

De Santis changed the subject and she didn't give De Santis a chance to answer.

[whathehell]

11. Can't find this anywhere..Can you tell me what station is

airing this debate?

[In It to Win It]

13. I posted it here

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100217281962

[whathehell]

14. So it's only online?

[In It to Win It]

16. Maybe a local listing - I'm in South FL. It's on CBS 4 here

[whathehell]

23. Oh I see..We're in Illinois, but we managed to project

the video onto our TV. Thanks.

[Fla Dem]

55. Thanks for posting the link. I wanted to watch it and forgot.

Thanks to you I'm now watching it.

I'm posting your link here for anyone else who may want to watch it.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100217281962

[snowybirdie]

15. Now he says

were castrating young boys, and mastectamIes for teen age girls.ies Such b.s. lying like all the repubs.

[In It to Win It]

19. I understand Crist wanted to keep it on the abortion but I felt like that was the perfect opportuni

ty to attack his false stance on parents rights here.

DeSantis said it's not legal for a teenager to get a tattoo, and I felt like that was an opportunity to claim the parents rights issue. "Of course Ron, that's why these children have parents who consult with healthcare providers and I support parents making this decision for their families rather than the DeSantis administration" or something similar.

[kelly1mm]

44. Can a minor get a tattoo in FL with parental permission? I don't know but if so that is how the

analogy would work. If a minor cannot get a tattoo even with parental permission then the analogy would support DeSantis' position, at least from a strictly rhetorical look at the statements.

[In It to Win It]

45. You can

with a parent or legal guardian consent

[kelly1mm]

49. Then Crist should have hammered DeSantis with that! A missed opportunity if he did not! nt

[In It to Win It]

51. To be clear

Under 16, no tattoos no matter what, even with parental consent. Between 16 and 18 requires consent but I don't remember if DeSantis stated an age.

If DeSantis did mentioned an age, then i agree with your earlier post.

[kelly1mm]

52. If it has an no parental permission under 16 no matter what that supports DeSantis up until 16

at least, at least rhetorically. Plus it would be hard to argue (as least in soundbites) why a 15 year old cannot get a tattoo with parental permission but could get a mastectomy/castration. It is a very hard issue for politicians even in blue states when you get into the weeds....

[In It to Win It]

54. Agreed

You can't talk about the issue without getting into weeds of exemptions. Tattoos for the under 16 crowd have medical exemptions in Florida, but to analogize that to gender affirming care for the under 16 crowd would be a little too "weedsy" for the debate stage.

DeSantis has the easier job to say person at 'X' age wouldn't even be allowed to get a tattoo so we should allow them (insert gender affirming procedure here)... blah blah blah... and DeSantis would mention a more surgically invasive procedure to make it sound more unreasonable.

It's hard to Crist to respond directly to a tattoo analogy without getting into the weeds a little of medical exemptions for tattoos, which would apt in a response about gender affirming care. However, I'm not sure how that would look with some "on the fence" voters.

[kelly1mm]

56. I agree with your agreement! lol! I do have a question though as it seems you know about

this way more than I do, what would be a medical exemption for a tattoo for someone under 16? Just curious?

[In It to Win It]

58. I have the same question LMAO

Tattoos for minors under 15 allowed for medical purposes but I couldn't think of a single medical reason for a tattoo. LOL

I found this

https://www.floridatattooacademy.com/medical-tattoos/

[kelly1mm]

59. Great minds think alike ..... lol. After reading your link those make sense. NT

[Sympthsical]

17. Crist is incredibly uncomfortable about LGBT issues

He has done nothing but talk around them. First with the don't say gay law, then with transgender issues.

He literally does not want to talk about these topics.

So, uh, this is the Democrat, huh?

[Coventina]

21. Former Republican. I don't know why we couldn't find a better candidate.

[superpatriotman]

62. We had our chance

Nikki Fried was/is a firebrand and lost the primary to Charlie.

[FoxNewsSucks]

63. Because we must be "moderate"

[honest.abe]

22. So Desantis is better option??

[Sympthsical]

24. Did someone say that?

After an entire summer of wide media coverage of the Don't Say Gay law, our party's candidate for governor doesn't have a good response to DeSantis?

I feel like just about any other Democratic candidate could've managed LGBT issues better than Crist just did. If I were a gay Floridian instead of a gay Californian, I'd be a little insulted by the absolute weakness to defend our community. It was borderline embarrassing that what should have been a slam dunk for any Democratic candidate was a limp non-answer generalization about being nice people.

If DeSantis runs in 2024, we need a hell of a lot better than that.

[honest.abe]

27. This is Florida.

Did u forget?

[Sympthsical]

35. You may excuse it

There's always an excuse for why the LGBT community gets thrown under the bus out of perceived political necessity.

However, did you forget it's 2022 and not 2004?

We don't put up with this shit anymore. If you're ok with that sort of thing, that's very nice for you.

[honest.abe]

39. In Ohio Biden has been thrown under the bus.

I don’t like it but Dems in Ohio say it’s necessary. If it means we can win Ohio then I am ok with it.

[Skittles]

69. thank you

it must get weary hearing NOW IS NOT THE TIME, over and over.......

[mcar]

37. He did avoid some of those questions

but, given that he's got to get NPA votes, and that he's made great headway on women's rights issue, I think it was an OK strategy.

[OtterDave]

68. What is an NPA?

[msongs]

18. so how many ppl are actually watching this debate, a few dozen? hundreds? nt

[Marcus IM]

20. I'm in S Fl. It's on local CBS channel 4. n/t

[bdamomma]

34. is it on now

and what station?

[In It to Win It]

42. you may be able to find the full debate on Youtube

[bdamomma]

47. Thanks for posting this

[pstokely]

66. this isn't 1972 with only three channels

how many undecided voters are watching instead of netflix or HULU or Monday Night Football?

[lpbk2713]

25. And DuhSantis was lying his ass off and being evasive.

As expected.

He shifted his Covid failure and his Martha's Vineyard charter to Biden.

[MOMFUDSKI]

26. I am in Tampa Bay and watched it on local channel.

Felt the mod was a bit slanted toward deathsanta. But that channel is def right-leaning. Hard to find one these days that isn't. All owned by corps. Crist held his own and repeatedly asked deathsanta if he would serve out his term should he win. No answer. Just deer in the headlights. He really thinks he can become pres! what a doofus

[DET]

43. Best Moment in the Debate

I can’t believe DeSantis wasn’t prepared for that question. So obvious. And the mod was definitely slanted towards DeSantis.

[mcar]

28. DeSantis is so smarmy

Crist did a good job and was so poised and mature.

[In It to Win It]

33. I expected some gaffes from Crist but I'm glad my expectations were wrong

[XanaDUer2]

29. I hope Crist mentioned social security nt

[In It to Win It]

31. Nope. Never came up.

[XanaDUer2]

32. We could kill Republicans on this nt

[Jose Garcia]

46. They are running for Governor, not US Senator

[XanaDUer2]

48. True, but FL has lots of retirees

Nt

[In It to Win It]

60. Right, talking about Medicaid expansion would be more effective

Unlikely to happen with we have but can be a good talking point for Crist that DeSantis and the GOP legislature never allowed Medicaid expansion so he's left working family with higher medical bills, higher property insurance, and school system losing teachers by the day or something similar

[budkin]

36. DeSantis is a rockstar in Florida... I don't see Crist beating him

I hope I'm wrong but so many there have drank the Kool-Aid.

[MOMFUDSKI]

50. It is not that he is a rockstar. It is

because Florida has become SO expensive that only the monied repubs from the north can afford to move here now. That is how my beautiful BLUE Florida (I moved here in 1988) turned the ugliest red now. I am sick about it. But then I did move FROM the seat of LABOR, Wisconsin, which is now a red shithole. We are losing our country.

[RedSpartan]

53. "It won't make any difference." -- Newt, "Aliens"

[EnergizedLib]

61. My goodness

He posterized that little smug creep.

[niyad]

64. I entertained a momentary vision of Christie giving desatan a physical kick

in the ass ( or the front, I don't care). Sighhhhhj. One can dream. . .