Can anything be done to insure Trump doesn't leave the country?

[Jade Fox]

I'm really worried he's going to run, and then all the effort gone in to nailing him will be for naught.

[at140]

1. Trump can run but he can't hide

Trump will be recognized anywhere in the world. Impossible to hide.

[yourout]

2. Trial in absentia.

Convict the fucker any ways.

[sarcasmo]

3. Let him go.

[Effete Snob]

15. I know, right?

Let him be a pain in Qatar's ass.

[SCantiGOP]

17. Hell yeah

I’ll pay his airfare to Russia or Saudi Arabia.
Or maybe he could be the Emperor of Greenland.

[TheBeam19]

29. Yep.

[pnwmom]

43. Agreed. He can remain in exile forever. n/t

[treestar]

4. I don't think so

If arrested, aren't people told not to leave - or maybe that's only TV, like Law and Order

But he could be extradited, though I understand there is no treaty with Russia.

[Aviation Pro]

12. Nor UAE

Once N757AF has its paint job completed, Bloated Tick can fly to Hungary (barely) to be embraced by Orban before flying on to Dubai. He could also reach Morocco which has a mutual assistance treaty but no extradition one.

Personally, I'd like to see the motherfucker fall victim to an extraordinary render and get the full 'W/Cheney' treatment.

[PortTack]

5. If he did....this is how I view it

Upsides to him fleeing

1. His cult will be devastated and will likely scatter
2. He is silenced..just imagine not having to listen to all his lies or that grating voice
3. His political influence is OVER!
4. No doubt his properties will be seized
5. Due to#4 his children, at least eric and don jr will become penniless

Of course I want to see him in jail like everyone else..but…….

He did say yesterday on truth social that Hungary was looking pretty good and would give magats a new vacation spot

[intrepidity]

25. Silenced?

They have the internet elsewhere...

[PortTack]

30. Silenced in no real viable input

[intrepidity]

32. He could and would continue to cultivate his cult nt

[Jade Fox]

37. Agree

[PortTack]

42. Maybe. I think the cult will fall apart without him here in the country. They don't have the

Attention span to listen to a pod cast.

[GenXer47]

6. Iran could pick him up

as they have a warrant out for his arrest. "...a pair of pliers and a blowtorch" comes to mind.

[Aviation Pro]

14. I get that reference

"Ya hear that, homes? I'm not a damn sight finished with you."

[Ohioboy]

7. I don't know if it would that bad if he did run

It would show that he knows he's guilty. It would make him look like a coward. It would basically strand his supporters that are counting on him to lead them.

Besides, if there was a warrant waiting for his return it would be like America saying "don't come back or else".

I can see many up sides to him leaving.

[Thomas Hurt]

8. I suppose they could take his passport if he were arraigned.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

22. he doesn't need a passport to leave

And any country that would willingly allow him to flee to likely won't care if he has one or not.

[Thomas Hurt]

27. Yeah, I don't see his narcissism letting him run in the first place

[doc03]

9. Trump says he can run from prison I suppose

he could run from Russia too.

[Mme. Defarge]

10. Comment posted on another discussion thread.

Madly - as in crazily and furiously
wondering if there’s a way to fake their own deaths and end up with new identities on another planet? Elon Musk to the rescue maybe?

[getagrip_already]

11. you could indict him, but, yeah, hasn't happened....

I don't think there is any legal way to prevent a citizen from traveling if they aren't under a court order as part of an indictment, or as part of a post conviction order.

It's one of those things we call freedoms.

Indict or shut up.

[Effete Snob]

13. Other than the fact that he looks down on other countries as "shitholes"?

He has never spent an extended period of time outside of the United States.

The idea that he's going to suddenly take a liking to the culture, legal system and tax structure of some other country strikes me as unlikely.

I personally doubt he will outlive the legal proceedings against him.

Look at Ken Paxton down in Texas. He was criminally indicted years ago and is still the Texas AG.

Or, shoot, look at guys like Michael Cohen. He spent his life as a crook, got rich, got convicted, did a few months of easy time, gets to keep it all, and he's a reborn media messiah of the opposition to Trump. The people he spent a lifetime fucking over, not so much, but once the money is separated from the victims, it's clean.

Another one is Lev Parnas. Got a pile of dirty money out of his dealings with Giuliani, Manafort, et al.. Did 20 months and is living the good life, put his kid through pricey schools, and so on.

Pay no attention to the pile of dead Ukrainians behind these guys. They did everything they could to weaken the western alliance and support for Ukraine, as part of Putin's plan, but, oh boy did you hear the zingers on CNN last night?

Crime pays. That's why people do it.

[FakeNoose]

47. Chump loves the UK and especially Scotland

Of course, they can't stand him there, but he does own 2 golf resorts in Scotland. His mother was born in Scotland and emigrated to the US before World War II. My guess is that he'd try to go there, I just don't know if they'd allow him in for longer than a brief visit.

Anywhere else would present a huge language barrier - Hungary, Switzerland, anywhere in the Middle East, Russia ... they're all foreigners!

[Effete Snob]

48. They don't have McDonald's in Russia anymore

So, that one is out.

[jmowreader]

49. Switzerland is not so bad

English, German and French are their official languages.

Trump’s Switzerland problem is they’d capture him at the airport, drive him to the nearest US Government facility and hand him over.

[efhmc]

16. Too much moeny still to grif. Not going to happen.

[Hugin]

18. My general attitude is...

Good riddance.

It saves tar and feathers.

[yellowcanine]

19. Shit-deport him and strip his citizenship on the way out. Though I guess we can't actually do that.

Or just make it so hot for him that he voluntarily renounces his citizenship.

[EndlessWire]

55. We can't deport him.

A better OP question would be, What can we do to get him to exile himself?

[0rganism]

20. Can anything be done to insure if he leaves he doesn't return?

We really don't need another Napoleon-style dictator resurrection.

[RobertDevereaux]

21. Straitjacket AND/OR ball and chain AND/OR . . .

Six feet of earth, above and on all sides of him

AND an uncountable number of feet of earth beneath him

AND a 24/7/365 set of unimpeachable guards and guard dogs to fend off any and all cultish shovelers.

[2naSalit]

33. Better yet...

Dump his ass in the middle of the ocean so nobody can find it.

[dclarston13]

35. The Ole Bin Laden Funeral

Very fitting here.

[2naSalit]

36. Sure is!

[RobinA]

23. I'd Like To

make sure he DOES leave the country.

[brooklynite]

24. He hasn't 't been indicted for anything so he's free to travel.

That said, do you rally imagine he’s going to admit guilt and become a fugitive to all his supporters? His ego would never allow it.

[Jade Fox]

41. I don't think Trump would see it as admitting guilt....

nor would his followers. He would frame it as his only option given 'their' determination to 'get' him in spite of his innocence.

He would play the martyr to a hopelessly corrupt system, and his followers would eat it up.

[dutch777]

26. If he promised to go and STFU, I'd donate for plane ticket or fuel

Of course, he'd promise, take the money and not leave or STFU. Asshole!!!

[Progressive dog]

28. He'd be safe from the US in Russia.

Maybe Putin would finance a Trump hotel there, kind of like Mar-a-Lago north without golf. I just hope he takes some of his enablers with him.

[Silent3]

39. It wouldn't be long until Trump "accidentally" fell out a window

Putin has no use for Trump unless he's in the US undermining democracy. When that stops, he's nothing but an embarrassing liability.

[jmowreader]

51. However, he wouldn't be safe...

…from all the mobsters he owes money to.

[FakeNoose]

52. I've been under the impression that the "loans" actually came from Pootie

The mobbed-up oligarchs were just the bagmen who got the money to Chump and told him what Pootie wanted done.

So I don't know, but it seems he has to fear Pootie more than any of the others.

[jcgoldie]

31. Let him go!

Make him promise not to come back!

[karynnj]

34. I say there is NOTHING better than Trump fleeing the country

Not to mention where would he go? Most countries I can think of as great places to live HATE him. 8f he goes to a country we have chilly relations with, that looks bad for him.

I suspect if he runs away, a large portion of his base might actually drop him.

[LeftInTX]

38. He won't leave

The case against him is civil, not criminal.
It's about $$$
He automatically loses his case and his $$$ fortune if he is a "no-show"

[EndlessWire]

54. He will be indicted under the Espionage Act.

It's about CRIMING.

[Silent3]

40. If he were to flee (which I doubt he would) it wouldn't be anytime soon

Like someone else said elsewhere in this thread, fleeing doesn't help his financial woes at all.

Even if criminal charges are brought against him sometime soon, he'd be in no hurry to flee, because you can be damn sure that would take a long time to play out in court. He'd be booked, get out on bail, and be roaming around free in the US for years.

Also, when and if Trump is technically doing time for his crimes, it'll almost certainly be house arrest at worse. What's to flee?

[EndlessWire]

56. I have a bridge in the desert to sell you.

It will almost certainly be in a Supermax. Why? Because we aren't going to give him SS protection, and we aren't paying Acme Jail Guards to watch him, either. We don't know what happened to those missing documents, or who he sold them to. If he has info he'd like to trade for a better jail, then maybe he can do the "Art of The Steal." But, no, we are way past, "I deserve house arrest." He deserves clanging steel bars and a flimsy cot and an orange jumpsuit.

He's a spy. An ankle bracelet is what you might get at the end of your term. He doesn't deserve consideration, and plenty of people will protest about the special treatment.

[Silent3]

60. I know he *deserves* to be in a Supermax

But I'm talking about reality, not poetic justice, which coincide not often enough. Trump will be watched over by Secret Service for the rest of his life, so long as the unlikely case of him fleeing to another country doesn't happen.

[Whiskeytide]

44. He won't run. I can't think of any circumstance ...

… that would allow his SS detail to run with him. He’s unlikely to be able to hire bodyguards loyal enough. The Iranians would have him within 2 weeks.

He’s much more likely to draw out any legal process for years, continue to fundraise off of the idiots, and try to run out the clock. If he runs out of delay options, he’ll cut a plea deal that doesn’t involve jail time, which I’m sure would be available to him.

[EndlessWire]

57. Are you talking about James kicking him out of NYS?

Or, are you talking about his problem of being a spy? Once he's indicted, they will arrest him. There won't be years long delay in a trial. The delays are in the appeals. But, he won't be out on bail. He'll probably get a no bail warrant. What clock will there be to run out? He can die, if he wants, but there's no clock there.

As far as cutting a plea, what does he have to offer? He's going to tell us who he sold the docs to? We could execute his sorry ass. He isn't a monarch, or a royal personage. His deal could be, put me in jail, but don't kill me. That's usually the deal for a common murderer.

His best bet is to flee. My guess is, he'll sneak out using a yacht, right after indictment.

[Whiskeytide]

58. I'm talking about the potential criminal charges - not ...

… the NY civil matter.

The reality is that he is an ex-president. He would almost certainly make bail and/or be released in some capacity pending trial.

Then he would tie up the criminal case with discovery delays, motion practice and possibly interlocutory appeals of adverse rulings. That could go on for several years, all while he claimed to be the target of a political witch hunt and “needs some patriot money” to fight it.

And a plea deal doesn’t necessarily require him to offer anything. There is not a lot of political will to prosecute an ex president to start with. It’s politically risky and could backfire in any one of a half dozen ways. I think prosecutors would love to get a plea that they could call a win under such circumstances.

It’s just my opinion.

[EndlessWire]

59. The reality of his being an ex President

is that he will probably be hated even more. Granted, they may have to give him bail, but if they can say he's a flight risk, maybe not.

I used to feel as you do, that the dignity of his office would continue to protect him. But, he tried to overthrow the Government and got people injured and killed, and then we found out that he stole--STOLE--classified docs. And, the only reasonable answer as to why would be to sell them to the highest bidder. I think that those two circumstances changes things quite a bit.

And, we don't have to work a plea deal with him at all. There is plenty of political will in DOJ to convict him. It doesn't depend on the likes of people like Rubio, McConnell, etc. to take him to trial. And, Biden isn't going to pardon him.

The only backfire I see is the DOJ treating Trump like he is above the law. People are not going to tolerate that, not any more. It might backfire on anyone going soft and letting him off the hook.

If we are afraid of his delay tactics, and don't prosecute him because of those concerns, then he will be treated as above the law. And, his getting special treatment, the kind of special treatment that other convicted spies did not get, is repugnant. I understand what you are saying, and this is just my opinion, too, but I don't think that he is going to be allowed to jerk DOJ around like that.

[Torchlight]

45. I'd bet a paycheck he doesn't run

But I gotta admit, watching him go fugitive would be a delicious crudité for an afternoon's light enjoyment.

[Tree Lady]

50. I agree he's too scared of other countries

To go anywhere, he will stay with his cult that he thinks will protect him.

[Emile]

46. He should volunteer in Putin's army!

[EndlessWire]

53. His fleeing would be the best thing for this country.

He'd be gone. If he left by yacht, he might get stuck on the high seas. No open port. Then he'd be stateless. If he left by aircraft, he'd be stuck somewhere.

We can try him in absentia, with no opposition. Then, if he tried to come back, he'd be jailed.

He'd lose all his pRes perks. We wouldn't have to feed him, or provide medical care to him. No protection detail. We wouldn't be bothered with all those requests for interviews. nor the nightly sound bytes, or his cult yapping about how he needs to be moved out of the Supermax.

We'd finally get the peace and quiet that we deserve, and the space to deal with climate change and other pressing problems.

I highly recommend that he flee. Surrender, Donald, and flee. Please. You are running out of time. Get on that Russian sub, and sail away.

[kairos12]

61. Don't think he will.

He lost his stolen secrets.

[Autumn]

62. Let him leave. When he lands in Russia Biden can pull his passport and freeze his assets.

[Silent3]

63. Stay Here and Make Sure He Doesn't Leave

[IcyPeas]

64. I don't think he has the guts

Moving to another country is hard especially when you are the epitome of a loud mouth spoiled ugly american.

Has he ever even gone on a vacation to any foreign country?