Many Americans have no idea what's coming their way. It reminds me of the civil war.

[fightforfreedom]

On the eve of the civil war many Americans had no idea what was heading their way. All the signs, warnings were there. They simply went about their business. When the war broke out it must have been a hell of a shock, they woke up real quick. The civil war was an attempt to over throw the United States of America.

Jan 6th was an attempt to over throw the United States of America. Many Americans are simply going about their business ignoring the signs, warnings of what is coming their way.

The investigations that are taking place are going to explode, it's going to get ugly. We are talking about a president and many Republicans in congress and across America that attempted to over throw the United States of America. Many Americans do not acknowledge that fact.

The investigations are not going to ignore what happened. People are going to be indicted. It is possible members of congress and a former president may be indicted for attempting to over throw the United States os America. Things are going to get ugly and many Americans are not prepared for it. They don't even know it's coming.

[Walleye]

1. Even if they had have known what was coming, could anyone have stopped it?

[Joinfortmill]

2. TickTock

[Irish_Dem]

3. An entire county with heads in the sand.

Flashes of reality which they cannot ignore shock them momentarily.

[Bayard]

4. Indictments will depend on one person:

Merrick Garland. His place in history will be far beyond what he may have done on the Supreme Court.

[jmbar2]

5. This messaging is not helpful

There are folks who want us to feel fearful, helpless, and to disconnect from trying to create change.

I won't be intimidated by people who want us to feel this way. We are in a period of change, and we will create a better world.

If you are feeling despair, get involved in making a difference in your community. It is very therapeutic.

[fightforfreedom]

6. Change is coming, the hard way.

It doesn't help to ignore it.

[BannonsLiver]

24. This should be accompanied by ominous music.

[madinmaryland]

41. Bannon's liver is very ominous! Assuming he still has one!

[Tree-Hugger]

7. You are right

This is something our side needs to understand. Things are scary right now, I know that. Doom and gloom and "people have no idea what's coming" messaging does NOT motivate many people to get to the polls. It leaves them feeling hopeless, drained, and disillusioned. People may have good intentions with that type of messaging, but I assure you ot does not bring the desired effect.

[BannonsLiver]

25. Well it was good for a chuckle.

[hay rick]

18. If your house is on fire and you are hoping it will go out by itself...

you need some unpleasant messaging- especially when your house is also my house.

[Silent3]

38. Screw that happy talk line of thinking

Not every human utterance has to be a pep talk. It's perfectly reasonable for people to state their real fears and concerns without any obligation whatsoever to find a way to blow sunshine up your ass at the same time.

And you have absolutely no evidence that everyone bearing bad new "want(s) us to feel fearful, helpless, and to disconnect from trying to create change". That's a baseless accusation.

[Act_of_Reparation]

42. If anyone is wondering what toxic optimism looks like.

That, right there, is it.

[jalan48]

8. I think most citizens just want to go on living their lives and won't care. This is why democracies

fail. Just give me my bread and circuses and I'll remain complacent. It's a harbinger of what's in store for the coming environmental collapse only providing the bread and circuses will be impossible. The ruling class will escape to their boltholes.

[Reader Rabbit]

9. As a history teacher who just finished a lesson on...

...the nearly 80 year buildup that led to the final outbreak of war, this is spot on. Politicians spent decades appeasing slaveholders and what good did it do them in the long run? Sod all.

[Rabrrrrrr]

20. And how long did politicians in Germany and in the world appease Hitler? Many.

How much appeasing of Trump happened in his four years? A shitload.

We theoretically have a "do not negotiate with terrorists" policy in the U.S., but we never apply it to the traitors within.

[CloudWatcher]

10. autocoup

I think it's more properly described as a self-coup or autocoup. It's not a civil war unless we fight back. I think the Jan 6th committee will produce a report and then absolutely nothing will be done.

A little light reading about how common this is:

Between 1946 and 2020, an estimated 148 self-coup attempts have taken place: 110 in autocracies and 38 in democracies.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup

[Cosmocat]

62. Unfortunately

I tend to agree.

This country has indulged ever right wing fit of fancy over the last four plus decades.

It has gotten here incrementally, it's just the next step. Almost like easing us into it.

I have had heart burn about where this was headed since my young adult years in the 90s, it just keeps happening over and over.

I don't see nearly the will to stop it, and I see A LOT of confidence in the Rs I know. They know they are on the cusp and just can not wait.

It's going to get ugly.

[ashredux]

11. If there be blood , they will be put down quickly

[Lonestarblue]

12. I don't disagree that we're in for some hard years, but we need to offer a vision.

A vision of a safe America. A vision of a country where we spend money on education instead of tax cuts for the ultra wealthy or the latest ravages from storms made far worse by climate warming. A country where children can go to school without having active shooter drills and worrying about whether they will die that day. A country where it’s safe to go to church, to the mall, or to the grocery store. A country where we the people matter more than we the corporate profits. A country where honesty is valued and lies are rejected. A country where accomplishments are honored regardless of skin color. A country where hatred is exiled instead of being glorified. A country where we respect our democracy and work to preserve it.

[Cozmo]

13. Going to get ugly? Ugly is already here.

[LudwigPastorius]

14. "The investigations that are taking place are going to explode..."

Well maybe, but they aren't even being broadcast by the major TV networks.

Watergate stayed in the national consciousness because the hearings were on TV, hours every day, for two weeks.

I think you overestimate the memory and attention span of the average citizen, and underestimate their apathy.

[babylonsister]

56. Jan. 6 panel schedules prime-time public hearings

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/28/nation/jan-6-panel-schedules-prime-time-public-hearings/

Jan. 6 panel schedules prime-time public hearings
Updated April 28, 2022, 5:44 p.m.

[LudwigPastorius]

59. Thanks for correcting me.

Looks like we'll get two days, and 3 to 4 hours total, of prime time hearings.

I wonder if that will buy enough political capital for the DOJ to charge Trump and the other ringleaders.

[babylonsister]

60. I don't know but am

glad the public will have an opportunity to tune in. I think that might inspire interest as I predict it's going to be better than any cop/reality/soap opera they've ever seen.

[MichMan]

63. Back then there was very little cable. Everyone watched the same channels

Not like that now.

[SoonerPride]

15. The committee hearings won't even be a blip on a radar

No one except us will watch or care.

[TeamProg]

16. So, do TELL us what's coming. Please elaborate.

""They don't even know it's coming.""


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[LiberalLovinLug]

17. Yup, turn on any network, even the news networks, and its entertainment or infotainment 24/7

Laugh tracks and tear jerkers galore. Keep the illusion going that everything is Leave it to Beaver fine.

While Repukes are passing anti-democratic laws to steal the mid terms and after that the Presidency. After which they will make sure they never have to relinquish that power again. Dear Leader Trump and his mouthpiece Fox News are already grooming their audiences to prepare for the coming civil war.

[TeamProg]

21. "the coming civil war." How's that going to happen? Within cities? State vs State?

North vs. South?

Is liberal Hollywood going to go to war with Orange County?

How is this 'coming civil war' going to take place.

[LiberalLovinLug]

35. The fact that you are unaware and doubt it kind of proves the point

Its already on.

There's been a disinformation campaign ramping up for decades with Fox News and now others like NewsMax and OAN joining the fray. That is all a part of this war and its growing. They already have half of Americans, glued to these channels, and will follow whatever advice they give them. While also believing that all other TV networks are lying to them.

Its like the frogs in the slowly heated pot. Its already happening. Its not going to be some Red Dawn morning when suddenly George Clooney will be in a street gun battle with Clint Eastwood.

Jan 6th was a dry run. If Trump wins in '24, there will be a slow steady erosion of institutions dealing with checks and balances, crippling of federal law enforcement agencies, more pro-Fascist judges appointed.

In that case, protests will be mainly from the left. New laws will be enacted to criminalize these protesters, and depending on how many patriotic Americans do come out to battle back, it could get very violent, with armed Trump militia's helping out. Their SCOTUS will rubber stamp everything for "national security" reasons.

If on the other hand Biden or his replacement wins, the protests will be from the right. They will be more violent than ever before. Trump will be imploring his cult members openly to once again Stop the Steal. That they can't let it happen AGAIN! We know there were Capital police who may have been complicit in the insurrection. If enough Trumpists from the army and police help the Fascists its over. More politically inspired bombings, mass shootings.

It may take another 10 years, maybe more, to fully evolve, getting rid of, appropriating, or buying out large social media sights (like their buddy Musk is doing with Twitter), and traditional news networks like CNN. It may take one or two more national or international crisis....to pave the way for the final instalment of the Strong Man leader to clean up and white wash the country. But its coming.

On the other hand it still can be prevented. But Democrats and the last of the MSM that has any sense of morality and love of country must raise more of an alarm. And Republicans must be exposed and called out in much stronger language.

[TeamProg]

48. I'm fully aware of the treasonous electors, etc., but that's hardly a "war".

You have no idea what lies ahead.
It's foolish to pretend that you do.

J6 was not a 'dry run', stupid #$%^&*!

J6 was a planned coup attempt that failed.

All involved need to go to prison.

How much faith do you have in our DOJ, honestly.

[fightforfreedom]

39. When American citizens, politicians, attempt to over throw the government, that is a civil war.

It doesn't mean there will be armed conflict between two armies.

Our civil war is going to be fought in the halls of congress and the courts. That's what I am talking about when I say many Americans have no idea what is coming. It's going to be bad. The traitors are not going to go down without a fight.

If Trump feels threatened that he may be indicted for Jan 6th. I could see him calling his hardcore base to do more violence. His crazy base could attack prosecutors, court houses and politicians.

In the end, like our civil war, the right side will win.

[TeamProg]

46. Oh for cryin' out loud. I'm fully aware of the treasonous electors, etc., but that's hardly a "war".

If Trump's goons get violent then that is terrorism - not a war.

This entire "civil war" line here and at Faux is B.S.

There is treason, terrorism, coup attempts, yes, but until there are cohesive groups fighting each then it's not "a war".

Here, I looked it up for you.

war

noun: war; plural noun: wars

a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.


VOILA! (FYI means 'here it is' or 'see it')

[halfulglas]

19. Let's face it, we were only taught selected history all along.

I graduated high school in 1960. I don't ever remember being taught about the attempted coup against Franklin Roosevelt by the oligarchs of the 30s who didn't want to lose any of their power. If not for General Smedley Butler and a few other courageous army officers, it would have succeeded. History has tried to sweep it under the rug. The KKK marches in New York, the way we turned our backs on Jewish refugees before WWIII guess they thought we weren't ready to hear the truth. I was not taught that almost all race riots prior to Watts were white people who rioted, not black people, and yet we are taught to be fearful of black people rioting (actually protesting but when they set the narrative it comes out as a riot).

Now they want to clamp down even more on what can be taught, banning books, controlling what teachers even say to their students (white students) so they don't feel bad. I become fearful for my country when I hear normal everyday people who I don't think are RW, but they don't pay a lot of attention just living their lives and when they use the language of Fox and other things as if it's normal this year's election worries me.

[BannonsLiver]

22. Let us know when you pick up your musket

[TeamProg]

26. Agreed.

[bucolic_frolic]

23. Most rank-and-file Americans think these insurrectionists are having a day in traffic court

If it gets ugly it will be because Republicans make it ugly by resisting, pointing fingers, blaming LE and liberals, and refuse to accept responsibility for their actions. Americans are slow to realize, but they know. J6 needs to reinforce the truth. Truth is what wins the day here. Will there be incidents? Probably.

[Tommymac]

27. I think the MAJORITY of Americans know what is coming...an Election in November.

Our duty is to motivate as many of them as we possibly can to get out and vote the GQP murderers out of office.

We can prevail.
We MUST prevail.

The War started in 2016.
We can really start end it in 2022 IF WE DON"T GET APATHETIC.
Give President Joe, Nancy and Chuck REAL majorities and the crazies WILL crawl back into their bloodstained hovels.

WE CAN DO IT
#GOTV2022

[ZZenith]

54. Sgt. Oddball!

Most excellent!

[dameatball]

28. "Not so fast my friend!" I'm not sure if we have been watching different countries, but in my USA

the Civil War topic has been being discussed for the past decade at least. Depends where you hang out I suppose. Civil war, race war, class warfare, WW111, hell even Armageddon. Where ya been??

Thanks to Lee Corso for the quote.

[TeamProg]

49. +1

[roamer65]

29. Overturn of Roe will be high octane fuel on the fire.

[Texasgal]

30. What would you suggest we do?

Curious.

[BannonsLiver]

31. From the looks of it, melodramatic original posts on online forums may be the solution.

[Texasgal]

33. LOL!

I await the OP's response, but I highly doubt I'll get one.

[jmbar2]

44. Gloom, despair and agony

&ab_channel=DavidStrader

[jmbar2]

32. Democracy is under pressure, but not doomed

Timothy Snyder, Teri Kanefield and other writers on the preservation of democracy point out that, although democracy came under great pressure from Trump and the far right, it has held due to the overlapping strengths of democratic institutions, including voting systems, court systems, federal, state, and local governments, local school boards, libraries, media, etc.

Steven Levitsky (co-author of How Democracies Die) explains that it’s best to treat this transition like an earthquake. There is much rattling and shaking as a minority party tries to hold onto power by attacking the very institutions of democracy.

The way to respond to an earthquake isn’t to put more pressure on the weakened structures. Instead, you rush to strengthen and prop up the structures so that there will be less rebuilding later. You become an institutionalist.

OK, so, how do you do that?

Get busy. Find a voter protection organization and join. Turn our anxiety and outrage into action. When courts made terrible decisions, say, “This was a terrible decision. We need to win the next few elections so that we can get better judges onto the courts.”

Don’t say, “our courts are so corrupt, it’s all over.” Semantics matter. If you persuade enough people to give up, it WILL be all over.

https://terikanefield.com/what-we-can-do-part-ii/


?w=1344&ssl=1

[Sympthsical]

34. Uh, Americans very much knew the Civil War was coming

It wasn't even slightly a secret.

I'm not sure where your perception is coming from, because it is wildly inaccurate.

No one knew exactly what the shape of it would look like, but the fact conflict was coming was unmistakable and had been for some time. They had very good warning when Bleeding Kansas fired up. People think that was some one off event in 1854. It wasn't. It was sustained violence over the course of about five years.

And their warning about Civil War was bloodshed and open armed conflict.

It was not people yelling at each other on the Internet.

[fightforfreedom]

36. They may have known a civil war was coming.

But they had no idea what that meant. They had no idea how bloody it would be. In the beginning people packed picnic baskets to go watch the show of the parading armies on the battlefield. People thought it would be over quickly.

You made my point about people ignoring the warnings without realizing it. Thank you.

[Sympthsical]

40. Whenever people talk about our coming Civil War

It's basically, tell me you never studied the Civil War without telling me you've never studied the Civil War. I have. Got a degree in the shit and everything. Actually, as soon as I post this, I'm going to go outside in the hammock and read my umpteenth Lincoln biography I'm about halfway through.

What we are dealing with now is maybe junior baseball compared to what was happening in the mid-19th Century.

I sometimes really do wonder if some people are lusting for another Civil conflict, and these "warnings" are merely a way to pump up the sentiment. Because, whenever I do see these "warnings" I never see any proposition of de-escalation or avoidance of conflict. I see people pushing harder for it.

Which, people shouldn't wish for that. I do not have faith our side would win an armed conflict.

You can't go to war throwing Tweets at people.

[TeamProg]

50. +1 !!!

[Act_of_Reparation]

43. By the time the bloodshed and open conflict popped up, it was already too late.

The 1850s were the boiling point. There were dozens of warning signs preceding Bleeding Kansas and the Nashville Convention. The Missouri Compromise, the Nullification Crisis, the Gag Rule, the Tariff of 1828, the Wilmot Proviso... a series of compromises and crises that in retrospect demonstrate a gradual disintegration of relations between North and South.

[EarthFirst]

37. It's analogous to how the Russian campaign is going in Ukraine...

It won’t end well for the insurrectionists.

[fightforfreedom]

51. I have no idea what your post means.

Declare civil war? I never said that. I never said armies will be fighting each other like during the civil war. My post is about people ignoring the war, the fight that is about take place in our courts, the halls of congress. This is a war, a fight for our democracy. It's going to get bad . I was comparing the apathy of today to the apathy leading up to the civil war.

I did not compare our civil war to what is happening today, except for the fact they were both attempts to over throw the government. I was talking about apathy, people not paying attention. How my post led some people to believe I was saying we are going to have an armed civil war between two armies is beyond me.

[867-5309.]

58. It came the last election

I don't know why you think 2024 will be worse.

[ZZenith]

52. You were around for the Civil War, were you?

If your objective was to spread fear while offering no solutions, you probably did not succeed as well as you’d hoped to. With the fear part, that is - you aced the no solutions part.

[fightforfreedom]

53. Once again, I have no idea what you are talking about.

I was very clear in my post I was talking about the investigations, not armed conflict. I was talking about the apathy towards the investigations and comparing it to the apathy leading up to the civil war. The investigations are about the attempted over throw of our government by a political party. People do not know what is coming, things are going to get serious and ugly.

[Meowmee]

55. If there are any high level indictments

I predict there will be no real accountability. Much will depend on the midterms and if dumpster is allowed to run again or if another fascist runs

[lunatica]

57. We're in a social Revolution,

not a civil war. Us baby boomers have been in this Revolution since we came of age. If you think about it we’ve been winning all the skirmishes along the way. That’s why Trump became popular with the opposition. He spoke for them and their god was born.

The Revolution, this social movement towards change, inclusion, equality has it’s genesis in the Constitution and our American Revolution. The seeds are still sprouting and growing,but the weeds don’t like it and want to destroy it. When it comes down to it our vote is stronger than their bullets.

[betsuni]

61. No TVs, radio, social media. Yes, it's just like the civil war. Fiddle dee dee.