Replacement Theory May Lead to Civil War

[qwlauren35]

I read a summary of "Replacement Theory" here recently and I feel so sorry for the white people who ascribe to it. Basically, the "theory" is that the current government is PURPOSELY encouraging, assisting, allowing the immigration of non-white people to dilute the political power and control of white people.


The reason I feel sorry for white people is because this WILL happen. This IS happening. And the reason is because white people are not the majority in the world, and world-wide, immigrants come to America to have a better life, have always done so, and will always do so. To allot white Europeans a larger proportion of immigrants, I don't know what to say. YES, it enables white people to "maintain control". But I don't see why this is a good thing, when white people do such terrible things to other people. I don't see the value in white people as the majority. But I can understand why they would want it that way, why they would fight, even violently, to keep it that way. Everyone likes to have power and control.


Forcing white people to share power and control is something some will hate, something some will fight, something some will kill over. So, I see a war coming, and it's not going to be pretty. Right now, it is mainly a political war. But I think it's going to get more and more violent. And every time it does, non-white people (and white sympathizers - see Kyle Rittenhouse) will die, and many white people are going to be okay with it. Right now, I bet there is a go-fund-me page for the white shooter in Buffalo.


As a non-white person, of course I am biased. I am perfectly okay with white people sharing power and control with non-white people. But white people, SOME white people, will not be. And it is up to the white people who ARE okay with it to stand up and fight. Because non-white people are still the minority, are still vulnerable, are still going to be persecuted, are still going to be killed with impunity.

And I don't expect white women to stand with minorities on this and say "it's white men". White women have the advantage over minorities, always will. We saw this with Hillary, we saw this with Trump. There are plenty of white women who know that allowing minorities in the country dilutes THEIR power and control, and don't like it any more than the men do. They will fight differently. In a passive-aggressive manner. But they WILL fight on the side of white men.

I am scared for my people.

[gohuskies]

1. The subscribers to this theory simply want apartheid in the U.S.

Unbelievably ignorant and racist control and power over our country is what these yokels long for. This is going to be a long and hard struggle to keep our democracy with attitudes of a violent right wing faction of whites in America.

[ck4829]

2. I don't feel sorry for them and I am white. My life was on the line and I had no hope

They want to talk about being replaced, having their power and control diluted? Let's talk about a time in my life when I was denied every single job I applied to, even the most minimum wage and benefit-less ones... and I can tell you there was no "read the other side for English" anywhere on those boilerplate rejection letters. And this was long before I heard about this "great replacement", so I'm never going to give that up now.

Where were they then?

[Yavin4]

3. If being in the White majority comes with no advantages, if race doesn't matter at all in America,

if there is no White privilege, no White supremacy...then why are sooo many White conservative (really White regressive) thinking people so damned concerned about losing their majority status?

[electric_blue68]

8. Yeah, heh.

[Irish_Dem]

4. The second US Civil War is already here, with massive casualties.

One million Covid deaths, tens of thousands of gun violence deaths.

The future deaths of American women because their rights are being stolen. Police violence against POC.

The overthrow of the US government. Russian and Chinese infiltration at the highest levels of American government.

The GOP goals all along have been total permanent power, access to all USA financial assets, and white male christian minority rule.

The GOP is coming closer and closer to achieving their goals, and they will use any means possible.

[cilla4progress]

5. I'm White* and I believe our history -

dating back at least to the beginnings of Christianity - is inculpatory.

There is almost no society, civilization, ethnic group - in this hemisphere or the other/s - where, when there was contact with Whites, generally Europeans, that the White people didn't use brute force and technological advantage - long-range arms - to commit genocide and steal resources, including land.



*I am, by genetics/ethnicity and heredity, Ashkenazi Jew. To some, that makes me non-white.

[2naSalit]

6. That's been the plan for some time.

[roamer65]

7. One planet, one race...the human race.

My skin color is already in the minority and I could care less.

Get used to it, Nazi scumbag “white” supremacists.

[brush]

9. Immigrants have been allowed in for many decades...

to do the work many whites don't want to do. Before that it was enslavement.

Now that the POC population has grown to the point that in 15-20 years whites will no longer be the majority (we'll have a majority-minority population), this great replacement theory pops up.

It's bullshit. The racists can't stop demographic trends. Already the majority of babies being born are POCs, as is the majority of grade school children in several states.

Everybody needs to just chill out. It can't be stopped and in the long run, it'll be beneficial to the country as racist whites will have to learn to deal with it and realize they're no better than anyone else.

[PortTack]

10. This!! And it makes me smile....cause you are right, there's not a damn thing they can do about it

[andym]

11. Anti-immigration bias has been a long standing component of America, historically.

Now it has generalized to white people, earlier it was more focused on particular others including white people, by whom the English descendants of the founders of the US felt threatened. The anti-Irish immigration movement of the 1850s stand out as an ugly example.

[EndlessWire]

12. I object to this whole paragraph.

"And I don't expect white women to stand with minorities on this and say "it's white men". White women have the advantage over minorities, always will. We saw this with Hillary, we saw this with Trump. There are plenty of white women who know that allowing minorities in the country dilutes THEIR power and control, and don't like it any more than the men do. They will fight differently. In a passive-aggressive manner. But they WILL fight on the side of white men."

It's not only racist, but it's anti female. I assure you, if I take up arms in a civil war, I will SHOOT YOU.

[qwlauren35]

14. I guess you've never heard the term "Karen".

In my community, we talk about "Karens" because we are afraid of them. They are no laughing matter. Is that anti-female? I guess you could say that. I call it pragmatic.

Ever since Emmett Till, we have seen white women LIE, and call on white men to harm us and kill us. You think that's racist? You think that's anti-female.

OK, I guess you'll shoot me. BTW, I'm a woman. I watched on TV in 2016 as pro-Trump white women wore shirts that said "Grab My Pussy". I remember seeing a white woman who wore a shirt that said "Yes, I'm Racist". I remember that both a man and a woman were standing in front of their house with guns when there were Black Lives Matter protesters. I remember that there were white women in the Christmas picture with loaded guns in front of a Christmas tree. And we don't need to speak of Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert, but in fact, there are 17 GOP women in the House.

But you call me racist and anti-female.

Yes, come shoot me. I cannot take up arms. I am bipolar. But to say the thought has crossed my mind is an understatement. And while I would prioritize shooting a Kyle Rittenhouse over a Karen, shooting a Karen would not bother me.

[EndlessWire]

16. I don't wish to shoot anybody. I apologize for making you think so.

Racism is a two way street. Nothing sadder than reading how people are separated into their skin color. If you can't see how racist that paragraph is, then that is sad for you.

And, yeah, it is anti-female when you write that women will be passive-aggressive alongside their white masters, I guess. I think that women can take a direct, proactive approach to fighting fascism.

If you think that it is okay to label people like this, then that is a problem. But, I see a further problem when you identify "Karens" as being some people to fear. They are not. NO FEAR of fascists should stop you from activating in a positive way. Fear of the other side can lead to dreadful problems. If you want to talk about how fear of the other side can intimidate a vote, then fine. It isn't helpful to fan the flames of bigotry against white women, when the white woman standing there with you is willing to bleed for you.

I am a white woman. I promise you, I will not be passive-aggressive in any civil war that comes for either one of us. We are on the same side. I plan to fight: for you, for me, for my country. But, don't tell me that because I am white, I will ultimately betray the ideals that I was raised with. When you see me, you will feel a tinge of fear that first meetings always hold. You'll see my white skin and absolutely hate me, because that is what apparently you have been conditioned to feel. They own you thus. Don't let them. Evaluate each person as to their own merits.

And, I am sorry you are bipolar. It's a rough road to walk down. Stay on whatever meds you are on, or try naturopathy. Do something positive about that. Adapt. Overcome. It is possible to find an even keel.

We are going to win in November, and in 2024. We will win because we are going to stick together no matter what. There are more of us than them. Good people everywhere. WE WILL WIN.

[qwlauren35]

22. I read the post again.

White women are white people. That's a fact. White women have advantages that minorities do not, because they are white. That's a fact. There are white women who supported Trump because it was more important to be part of the white majority than to stand for women's rights. That's a fact.

There is a difference between being scared of all white women and being scared of a Karen. I have white women friends. They are not Karens. They would not call the police because a black person was "in their space". They would not call the police if a black man stood his ground and said that she was not acting right.

Karens have power, and Karens abuse their power, and Karens can cause situations that are potentially lethal for black people. I don't see how I wouldn't be afraid of a Karen. Just as my people fear the police. Too often, the police are not fair-minded, and do not treat black people and white people with the same respect.

If you cannot understand why we fear people who hold power against us, then, well. You don't understand what it is like to be at the bottom. There are plenty of women who have been raped by a white man who come to fear white men. I would NEVER tell such a woman that her fears are unjustified, and that just because one white man raped her, she should not fear all white men. To do so is to deny or belittle her experience as a rape victim. Ironically, if a white woman was raped by a black man, and developed a fear of black men, everyone would say that this is logical.

Black people are very used to white people judging all of us based on the behavior of one, or a few. White people are NOT used to it when we do it to them. That's what's happening here. You think that because I am saying that white people have privilege and white women have privilege, and SOME white women will abuse that privilege, I'm talking about you personally, and you don't like that. Well. Welcome to my world.

Racism is when one group feels superior to another group. Hating Karens is not racist. It's pragmatic. If you think I am feeling superior to you, then yes, I'm racist. If you think that by saying that ALL white people, men and women, are able to experience white privilege, I am suggesting that black people are superior to you, then yes, I'm racist. If I look at how, consistently, the mass murderers in this country, who have shot up schools, grocery stores, churches, have been white males, and how I see a pattern, and say that by extension, there are white people in this country who believe in addressing replacement theory with violence, then I guess I'm racist.

But I think there is a big difference between seeing race, seeing a racial divide, seeing behaviors and attributing them to a race, is racist, then you and I have a very different definition. Most black people laugh at white people who think that there is such a thing as being "color blind". We do not believe that such a thing exists. We ARE black. We have experiences that white people will never have. We have a history that white people will never have. We experience discrimination in ways that white people do not. Even today. To diminish this by saying that you are "color blind" is to pretend that these differences do not exist. And it is racist. Because we do not have the luxury of pretending that white people and black people are the same, equal, and unilaterally treated with respect. It's not true. Just because one white person treats us with respect does not make up for the fact that an entire part of our country does not.

I think you believe in meritocracy. I used to believe in that. Now I know its a crock of shit. CONSTANTLY, there are studies that show that John (white) and Jamal (black), with identical credentials, are treated differently when it comes to job opportunities, housing opportunities, police experiences, and loan applications. So, meritocracy, like color blindness is another white myth that allows white people to feel good about themselves when in reality, it's not happening throughout the country, and therefore, cannot be counted on.

If you are going to fight for us, then it is because of certain beliefs that you have. And as I said in my opening post, we need white people who will fight with us, because we are in the minority. I am happy to have you fight with us. But I will not pretend for a minute that there are not white women who will fight against us.

I think it takes a LOT of courage for one white woman to shoot another white woman because of a difference in beliefs. In contrast, my desire to see Clarence Thomas dead is unequivocal.

[EndlessWire]

23. I never said you were talking about me personally.

But, you are wrong when you presume that white people have never experienced discrimination. I am gay. Welcome to my world. Ah, the stories I could tell you, but won't. There are entire countries where I am a criminal, just for that fact.

I think you carry a lot of baggage. Many white people understand stuff that you claim they don't. But, you will never find out because you judge people based on their skin color. That's a fact.

I do not believe in meritocracy. I do believe that each individual should be evaluated according to their actions, not their words. If that means meritocracy to you, so be it. But, if you talk the talk, you better walk the walk. See you out there.

[qwlauren35]

25. Gay people can pass.

People only have to know that you are gay because you tell them, or they see you kissing a woman, or you have married a woman, or you choose to style your clothes and mannerism in a certain way. You can pretend to be straight and enjoy ALL of the privileges of straight white people.

I am not saying that being gay is a choice. It's not. But being OUT is frequently a choice. Black people do not have that choice.

The persecution of gay people who are out is horrific. In many countries it's lethal. I do not for a second suggest that you are not persecuted for your orientation. But it is not on your job application, your loan application, your college application. It is not what people see when they see you across the street walking by yourself. It is not what a cop sees when he stops you for a tail light that's out.

It's different.

[EndlessWire]

28. This will be my last post on this thread.

"I am not saying that being gay is a choice. It's not. But being OUT is frequently a choice. Black people do not have that choice."

It is difficult to discuss anything with you. Don't you see, that just because gays may choose to stay in the closet, doesn't mean that they enjoy some super privilege? Do you honestly think that gay people enjoy their second class status and make choices based on if they can pass or not?? There is something that is called the human spirit, and yes, gay people long to be just themselves the same as you. It comes from within, not without.

If the fascists truly gain power, being gay will quickly become a major threat to our existence. One day, they will execute gays, the same as certain countries overseas do. It's chilling. And, I submit that they will come to arrest me before they come to arrest you. And, it still won't have anything to do with being White. It is my experience that a Black male is valued more than a gay, white female. So, while you feel that you are at the bottom, I also feel that I am at the bottom. The difference between us is that I don't hate straights, while you are afraid of and hate Whites.

I understand what you are saying, and respect your right to feel what you feel. But, you are not the only one. What can you do to empower yourself? GOTV. Don't say it is a waste of time. In November: VOTE. They don't have to like you. They just have to count your vote.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

15. White women voted for Trump

That's a statistical fact. You are saying that same majority is going to stand up for minorities? OK. Sure.

[EndlessWire]

18. What are you talking about?

Your comment is very short-sighted. No, I'm not saying that the same, exact number of whites are going to rise up and vote with you. Your statistical comment is vague and uncertain. I think that it is possible that people on the other side might wake up and realize that Trump and the GOP are fascists and attempting to turn the US into an authoritarian state with Trump as its ruler, and the GOP as his henchmen, all of them waiting to loot the US of riches by oppression and malice against anyone they don't like: which is all of us. ALL OF US.

You better come up with a better argument than, in the past whities were evil. Yes, I am saying that there are plenty of white people who don't like what they are seeing and hearing, and are making plans to defend the country in many different ways. We are already in a cold civil war; what we had is GONE. Now we have to fight to save what is left, and perhaps return it to its former self, or actually make it better.

We are learning. And, although this isn't the actual state I find myself in, I don't have to like you to fight with you. I only have to hate them. There are plenty of white people who loathe the shootings, the acquittals, the breach of the peace, and hearing every day about what the Orange Turd said. It doesn't have anything to do with being white. Honestly, it doesn't.

[qwlauren35]

24. There you go again.

Getting upset because people are saying that SOME white people behave badly. Going on the defensive because you're not one of them.

I'm glad you're not one of them. That's fine. But SOME white people are racist. SOME white people are violent. SOME white people have no scruples about killing black people.

It's as if you want to believe that MOST white people are good people. ALL white people benefit from white privilege. The ones on the left and the ones on the right. And MANY white people don't want to give that up.

Your defensiveness suggests that you do not want to accept the fact that MANY white people are going to try to hold onto their privilege. Some actively, some violently, and some just by voting Republican. 89% of Republicans are white and 43% of registered Americans are Republican. So, about 40% of the country is white and Republican, a sizeable minority. Only 27% of the country is white and Democrat (only 60% of the party is white.). MORE white Republicans than white Democrats. More white people voting in support of Replacement Theory (even if the only reason they are Republican is because they are pro-life).

You are in the minority. So, when we point out the FACT that there are MANY white people voting in such a way that it supports Replacement Theory, we are not spinning things. We are not making things up. We are not giving anecdotal evidence.

So, its nice that you will fight for us. But many white people will fight against us.

[EndlessWire]

26. And there you go again.

"Racism is when one group feels superior to another group. Hating Karens is not racist. It's pragmatic."

"It's as if you want to believe that MOST white people are good people. ALL white people benefit from white privilege. The ones on the left and the ones on the right. And MANY white people don't want to give that up."

I'm sorry you can't see the irony of your words. No, I am not at all defensive about being White. Some people on DU jumped on my ass when I delved into the fact that I believe I have Black ancestors, if only a smidgeon. Being Black is closely guarded. I am intrigued by the historical idea that being Black need only consist of two ancestral molecules of blood. This is a matter of history, and it is never too late to explore who you are. When I sought opinion on this, it didn't go so well.

So, I don't know for sure who I am. I appear White. I check off White. But, maybe, I'm not...who cares. I don't. You go ahead and cling to your prejudices; I am not concerned because I am just going to port my weapon, which is my vote, out to my post in November, which is my local voting place. I am going to apply MY vote (the vote that you appear to be disdainful of) as my weapon of choice, and attempt to vote every last Republican out of office. That's all I can do.

But, your prejudice against White people, no matter what the excuse or cause, is divisive, not good for your own health, and ultimately just proves out your position of isolationism. That's what you want, apparently. Anything to cling to your own personal hurts.

"It's as if you want to believe that MOST white people are good people." You're damned right I do. And, all the things that you mention do not sway me in disbelieving that most humans are just people that want to live in peace. We have had years of schooling to reach there, which is being broken down by the fascist GOP. THEY are the enemy, not your neighbors.

"Your defensiveness suggests that you do not want to accept the fact that MANY white people are going to try to hold onto their privilege."

Again, I am not being defensive. I thought I was having a discussion, wherein you espoused prejudice against White people, and then, because I identify as White, you think you have found a plausible explanation to exploit as to the reasons I might say that racism is a two-way street. RACISM IS A TWO-WAY STREET. Don't kid yourself into thinking that because X happened, or Y happened, that YOU are not prejudiced, but it is okay to call another poster defensive about being White and say that it is why I spoke up.

And, by the way, your "fact" that many white people are going to try to hold onto their privilege is just something you made up. It is what you expect, and it is why we fail at race relations in this country.

[Mister Ed]

30. May I gently suggest that you should not threaten to shoot your fellow DU'ers?

Any conversation that starts with a death threat is unlikely to be cordial or productive.

I have no idea how a post like that avoids a hide. I'm pretty sure that threatening to shoot other posters is against the DU Terms of Service. But there it is in post #12, plain as can be and capitalized for emphasis:

I will SHOOT YOU.

Perhaps you should consider a self-delete.

[EndlessWire]

31. No, I don't think so.

You lifted it out of context when I was talking about the OP's comments that white women would be passive-aggressive alongside their apparent masters. At any rate, I already apologized to the OP just in case she felt that way, when I never meant to imply in any way that I would shoot her personally.

This is just another way to grab onto criticism when you don't like the content. The fact is, I am a member of DU, too, and I am offended by the degree of hatred espoused by many members here who hate white people just because of the color of their skin. It is a sad fact that no one can come up with a better way of thinking about how to maintain racial pride without denigrating the side you are opposite to, when you don't really want to heal up and try again.

I found the content of the original post to be offensive. Apparently, I have to suck that up because, gosh, Blackness is involved. Yet, I respect OP's right to express her opinion on a subject that she is sensitive to and needed to vent on.

In no way did I threaten to shoot OP. I said that if a shooting civil war began, I would not be passive aggressive in the manner that OP stated, where she identified Karens as white women that she is prejudiced against.

You didn't read the whole thread, did you?

[Mister Ed]

32. Yes, I read the whole thread. Every word. n/t.

[Noahv]

13. if it does, the racists will request help from Russia

In the form of soldiers and yes, bombs.

[BannonsLiver]

17. Let me know when you get your musket and enlist

[Initech]

19. I've been monitoring what's been going on in the MAGA world.

They are getting more increasingly violent and hostile with their rhetoric. And the fact that they're sucking up to a far right authoritarian like Viktor Orban is not good. It's truly scary what they are doing right now.

[lame54]

20. Their theory is...

Biden will allow in all the immigramt hordes, snap his fingers to make them instant citizens so they will all vote for democrats

[EndlessWire]

21. Hah! 100,000 Ukrainians are not going to make a difference.

But, I once advocated for Puerto Ricans to move to the US to vote against Trump. It still seems viable to me, although PRs are fiercely proud and don't want to do anything but fix up their island, still struggling today.

This is a stupid theory that is just being used to distract, and inflame people. Biden hasn't opened the doors to just anyone; he is standing with the rest of the community and doing what they are also doing. We can correct our history to some extent by changing our ways. It ain't nuthin. But, you can see that the Repubs are hitting every button that has worked for them in the past. This is an old wolf wearing sheep's clothing, appealing to that same old stranger fear that has been used before. People need to grow up.

[Straw Man]

27. White Europeans

To allot white Europeans a larger proportion of immigrants, I don't know what to say.

Actually, I don't see an awful lot of white Europeans beating down the doors to become US citizens. Funny how that works.

Somehow I'm reminded of a clueless acquaintance back in the '70s who expressed an interest in joining the Peace Corps for the opportunity to travel. When asked where he wanted to go, his answer was prompt: "France."

[The Grand Illuminist]

29. The problem is

They get no receipts. No retaliation for the greater good. And most importantly, no sacrifice.