Help me out here. Re: Abortion

[LuckyCharms]

I didn't read Alito's draft. I will, but I haven't yet.

Is there anything in there that addresses what actually happens in the real world? In other words, is HEALTH addressed?

For example, my wife miscarried years ago. What happens if the draft decision passes, and a woman miscarries? Is she suspected of performing her own abortion? Is that specifically addressed in the draft?

What if a woman is in a situation where giving birth will kill her, so an abortion must occur. Does the draft address that?

What if a baby will most likely be born alive, but will have deformities that are not compatible with life, and will die within hours?

There are any number of medical situations that could occur.

My question is: Have any of these even been ADDRESSED at all in the draft?

The more I think about this, the more horrible it becomes. If some asshole judges are making health decisions, I'm thinking that health consequences should be specifically addressed in the decision, but I'm sure they are not. All I've heard is that the decision is somehow based on some words spoken by some guy who killed "witches" in the 1600's?

What the fuck am I missing here?

[LeftInTX]

1. No!!!! It is void of science

That is why I'm thinking another justice might side with Roberts, but it could be wishful thinking on my part. Like the Texas law, most of the opinion lacks logic.

[uponit7771]

5. Alito: "... wha ?! wha ?! I added "science" when I said women don't need to be pregnant !!" / sarc

[smirkymonkey]

2. Good questions, LC. I would like to know the answers.

Especially when it comes to ectopic pregnancies, which usually kill both mother and fetus. These kinds of decisions need to be informed by medical experts and there needs to be a follow up plan.

Like how is society going to deal with all of these unwanted children and who is going to pay for it? How will young girls be protected from the family members or rapists who impregnated them, that is if they even survive the pregnancy? Will we be opening up orphanages like they had in Romania when abortion was outlawed there (complete disaster)? Will mothers be subsidized for keeping the children they are forced to bear? Etc....

Lots of details have not been thought out.

[LuckyCharms]

8. I'm sitting here remembering the miscarriage

and I'm remembering the pain we felt, and how a lot of my own pain was due to seeing my wife's pain.

I remember kissing her as they wheeled her in for a procedure that needed to be done after the miscarriage. For some reason, I am focusing on that bonnet type of thing they put on your head before surgery.

And then I'm picturing some law enforcement officer giving her some shit, or "investigating" her during that terrible time.

I have some thoughts that I need to type out about this, but I'd get banned.

[smirkymonkey]

9. I wish you could express your thoughts and not get banned.

My heart goes out to you and your wife. Nobody should ever have to go through such a thing.

[LuckyCharms]

10. Thanks, smirky. It happens so often, to many women/couples...

it's just the thought of someone giving a woman grief after something like that...

So many facets...

Body autonomy
Health
Privacy
Control

Nothing has been right since 2016. I'm starting to think we need 6 Joe Biden's in the Whitehouse for 10 years or so, just to fix all of the fallout from tfg.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

3. At it's heart, it's the same "State's Right's" bullshit this country has been arguing over since

its inception.

All that important stuff you mention?

Don't think it's in there, therefore the answer is: it'll be up to The States cause R v W was federal overreach from the start.

That's pretty much the gist of the whole thing.

Same old Federalist Society crap.

Oligarchs don't like federal power, because that's bigger than them.

Billionaires love State Power because it makes them big fish in a small pond in whatever States they live/operate in, and it's easier for them to be in direct contact with state's politicians.

Long game-wise, this is predominately about kneecapping the power of the Federal Government if you ask me.

At least, for the people at the top of the food chain, the ones actually making this happen.

The rubes I'm sure think this is really about saving those poor widdle babies for Jeebus (oh, and keeping those sluts in check).

[uponit7771]

4. Yes, Alito addressed "real world" by claiming "women don't have to be pregnant" in his misogynistic

... mind and taking out two birds with one stone.

1. this isn't a women's issue because there's no such thing as rape cause he's an asshole
2. since this isn't a women's issue he can go back to "history and tradition" when women were chattel and treat it like a human issue only.

Alito is an extremist

[TreasonousBastard]

6. I would suggest you not worry so much about the draft...

It is ony a draft, and not the final decision.

Even if the final decision does not diectly address all of your points, it is still a decision that will allow states to return to much of the barbarity of the past. Everyone's efforts should then be directed at legislatures which will be able to return Roe in a different, and
often messier, form.

[markie]

7. what are you missing?

...that they don't care about those things you wonder about

the draft lets each state decide those things for themselves and it appears that states run by Republicans don't care either...

[GoldandSilver]

11. Yes, there is rape and incest and life threatening circumstances...

but the biggest part of the issue is women who choose not to bear children for whatever reason. It IS a woman’s right to determine her health and her future as well as the future of any potential child she may carry!

The “authorities” need to get their noses out of women’s uteruses. I can’t believe we are being dragged back 50 years.

Alito may not be alone in his delight to justify overturning Roe v Wade but he’s the new first in line for blame for this shameful act of declaring women don’t have self determination rights.