New Russian terms for settlement?

[Tomconroy]

Link to tweet

[Irish_Dem]

1. What about regime change and Putin puppet government?

Is that no longer on the table?

[Tomconroy]

4. Possibly. Foreign ministers to meet 3/10 Turkey says.

That will be highest level negotiations.

[Irish_Dem]

8. I don't see Putin letting Ukraine remain a democracy.

Putin's goal is to have a world autocratic order, democracies are evil in is mind.

Also, I would think that Putin wants Zelensky gone or deeply humiliated.

[gab13by13]

21. Zelinskyy is on Putin's kill list.

[Irish_Dem]

22. Yes I am certain of it.

Putin cannot let Zelensky live, he is far too dangerous to Putin's goals.

[Sherman A1]

2. It's a place to start

My terms would be to Russia.

1). All Russian troops withdrawn.
2). Return of Crimea and all seized lands.
3). Reparations + for all damages done to the Ukrainian state, property and people.
4). A demilitarized border on the Russian side.
5). No interference with Ukraine on it’s choices to join any alliances.

[2naSalit]

3. +1

[SheltieLover]

7. +1

[brush]

10. I like your terms which state everything Ukraine wants...

but leaves some room to give if Russia gives.

[Sherman A1]

24. Not that I have any say in the matter at all, but those would be my

first and final offer. The Reparations + would be payment for all damages public and private along with punitive amounts sufficient enough to place the Russian economy in the toilet for the next several decades. But, as I said I have no say in the matter and it is up to the folks with skin in the game.

[uponit7771]

15. THIS !!!

[relayerbob]

18. Yep

[MarineCombatEngineer]

26. +100. nt

[Johonny]

27. 6) Putin is put on trial for war crimes

[True Dough]

5. From that same Twitter chain:

Link to tweet

Sounds like Putin is pushing his luck with these terms.

[orwell]

6. Go for it...

...We've learned from Putler that:

1) You can change your constitution at will when it suits your needs

2) After you recognize a territory, you can "unrecognize" it

3) See #2

Now get the fuck out!

[Phoenix61]

9. Putin blinked. nt

[brush]

12. Yes. The world sees the war crimes bombing of innocents...

and Putin knows he has to wiggle out of it someway.

[Phoenix61]

13. IMHO, we should go for his throat.

Crush the Russian economy the same way he is crushing the buildings in Ukraine. He is not to be trusted. This is nothing more than an excuse to inflict more damage without consequence. I’m sure he is counting on having control of Kiev by then. Biden should tell him to take his oil and shove it.

[brush]

19. Agreed. We should squeeze as much out of him as we can.

[Tomconroy]

11. This is how TASS is covering it:

A little indefinite but apparently it comes from a phone conversation between the Turkish President and the war criminal:

https://tass.com/politics/1417839

[Lovie777]

14. Same bullshit different year . . .

Back I believe in 1994 Ukraine made a concession to Russia with the support of USA and UK. In that agreement, Ukraine agreed to give up all nuclear weapons therefor the Russians agreed to recognize Ukrainian independence.

Well that didn't work out well did it.

[uponit7771]

16. +1, and putrid isn't negotiating from a position of strength

[Emrys]

17. Gut feel is that Putin should not be allowed to benefit from acts of aggression and war crimes.

If he wants all this, let him run it through the UN during a binding ceasefire. It can be done in parallel with war crimes investigations and subsequent trials.

Of course, negotiators don't often have the luxury of indulging gut feel.

[Emile]

20. The only terms should be he get the hell out of Ukraine and

never try this shit ever again!

[nycbos]

23. An agreement with Putin isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Didn't Hitler say he didn't have any more territorial ambitons after Munich. We know that was a lie.

[anamnua]

25. I hope the Ukrainians take their inspiration

from the following, analogous, moment in Ukrainian history:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks#:~:text=The%20Cossacks'%20reply%20came%20as,hedgehog%20with%20your%20naked%20arse%3F

[relayerbob]

28. They lie

These are meaningless conditions.

They haven't held to their previous committments to Ukraine already, why would Ukraine think these were serious negotiations?

And, in any case, at best, it's an admission that they are failing.

[ck4829]

29. Their definition of "neutrality" is such a movable goalpost that it has wheels

Don't join NATO/EU?
Don't talk about NATO/EU?
Don't have NATO/EU near your country?
Don't be allied with NATO/EU countries?

[Deminpenn]

30. Considering Putin's desire to recapture all of Ukraine,

this is a significant step back right off the bat.

If it's correct that Putin planned for just a two week invasion, the Russian Army might be running out of supplies and equipment even without the strong Ukrainian resistence. He's is now asking for help from Syria and sending mercenaries. Imho, that implies Russian troop losses might be significant.

The US and NATO allies are now unloading huge cargo planes full of anti-aircraft and anti-tank missiles and rockets each day headed for the Ukrainian Army. And yesterday, the US gave the OK for NATO countries to send aircraft to Ukraine which would help neutralize, but not eliminate, the Russian bombing campaign against civilian targets.

Not to mentions sanctions are wrecking havoc on the Russian economy.

A united NATO/Western/European front, heavy sanctions taking their toll, determined and fierce Ukrainian resistance, the Russian Army's lackluster performance means Putin is not negotiating from a position of strength.

[Baked Potato]

31. Need: Full reparations, full rebuilding, cooperation with war crime

investigations to include extradition, prisoner swaps.

Plus all the rest.