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TygrBright

(21,362 posts)
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 04:56 PM Feb 2022

The magnitude of Putin's f**kup reveals the extent of his mental deterioration

He has defined unachievable victory conditions. Seriously, it doesn't take a high-level military strategist to understand that the invasion, occupation, and conversion of another state rests on a whole lot of factors that were PATENTLY not present or not favorable in Ukraine.

He has put his prestige and his credibility on the line for this unachievable goal, and then executed his deployment and engagement with stunning ineptitude.

And finally - and here's the kicker: He might have been able to get what he said he wanted, without firing a shot.

He believes Ukraine is, essentially, Russian. Culturally, historically, etc. There is actually a grain of truth there - Ukrainians and Russians are more alike than not in many ways. Like the English and the Scots, they're also defined by some pretty important differences. But they are more alike than either of them is like (for instance) the Kazakhs or the Estonians, or the Poles. They do share a lot of history.

And during the Soviet era and in the immediate aftermath of the breakup, they still shared quite a large overlap in economic activity, resource exchange, and mutual investment.

And Ukraine has always had a substantial segment of its population that have been ideologically aligned with a lot of the right-wing, nationalist, white Christian supremacist beliefs that Putin has gone to such pains to support in Russia and its helot states.

What Putin wanted was a Ukraine aligned with Russia, willing to be a buffer against the West.

He might have been able to achieve that, had he heeded the old saying about catching more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Working slowly and steadily to build economic ties with Ukraine, to couple their fortunes in mutual development ventures, continual support of pro-Russian political parties, magnates, and politicians was on the verge of paying off for him.

Then came the loss of the Yanukovich regime.

The old, needle-sharp ex-KGB stinker that was the Putin of the 90s and the early aughts, would have welcomed an opportunity to identify and begin undermining the pro-Western opposition, sowing chaos the way he has done so effectively within the Western democracies that terrify him.

An operator who can bring the United States of America to the brink of rejecting democracy over a slow, quiet, 25-year campaign should have been able to subvert the growing liberal European-aligned parties of Ukraine in his sleep, standing on his head, with one hand tied behind his back.

But he didn't. He got rattled. He got impatient.

And that should have clued the world in... he was losing it, even then.

Of course, anyone who has amassed that much raw power, killed that many opponents and "nuisances" with vicious impunity, is going to continue to be very, very dangerous, even as their cognitive skills deteriorate.

They become even more dangerous, in many ways, as they become less effective.

And that's what we're working with now.

This will be a costly decline and fall.

For all of us.

somberly,
Bright

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The magnitude of Putin's f**kup reveals the extent of his mental deterioration (Original Post) TygrBright Feb 2022 OP
How could he think capitalism would cooperate with his naked play for 1950? bucolic_frolic Feb 2022 #1
Serious delusion and mental deterioration are a dominant meme right now. Hortensis Feb 2022 #2
Excellent analysis! MaryMagdaline Feb 2022 #3
The question is how far is he willing to take this invasion rather than retreat and admit defeat ? CentralMass Feb 2022 #4
actually - i think putin overstepped. He's been a murdering monster for twenty years samsingh Feb 2022 #5
Also... orwell Feb 2022 #6

bucolic_frolic

(55,143 posts)
1. How could he think capitalism would cooperate with his naked play for 1950?
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 05:01 PM
Feb 2022

The world is speaking with one voice now. No! to Putin.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Serious delusion and mental deterioration are a dominant meme right now.
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 05:07 PM
Feb 2022

May be true, but may not. It's a predictable one in this backlash against his breaking over 70 years without war in Europe (glossing over other invasions, the ongoing Russian-Ukraine war, etc).

Your descriptoin of massive, unnecessary fuck-up that migth prove to be disastrous may well turn out to be true, though. Hope, hope. A foreign affairs expert pointed out that all of Russia's numerous Cold War aggressions one way or another forced more build-up of defenses and resistance against Russia, describing Putin as a product of the Cold War who hadn't learned from those ultimately disastrous lessons.

Hoping that this will finally bring on that decline and fall, of him and his inner circle.



MaryMagdaline

(7,964 posts)
3. Excellent analysis!
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 05:17 PM
Feb 2022

If he only continued to play the long game, they could be USA and Canada or UK and Ireland.

CentralMass

(16,971 posts)
4. The question is how far is he willing to take this invasion rather than retreat and admit defeat ?
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 05:23 PM
Feb 2022

samsingh

(18,426 posts)
5. actually - i think putin overstepped. He's been a murdering monster for twenty years
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 05:28 PM
Feb 2022

it helped him conquer the republican party and to hire trump as the president under his bidding. His goal was always to rebuild the USSR. I believe he thinks people everywhere are cowards like the republican party. He is wrong. People throughout history have fought tyrants. The republican party is not an example of our best, rather the worst group of traitors, liars, and imbeciles that have been assembled in modern times.

orwell

(8,003 posts)
6. Also...
Sun Feb 27, 2022, 06:03 PM
Feb 2022

...part of the threat in his addled brain is the move toward Western and European standards of living, democracy, political institutions, that the last 8 years has brought. The Crimean adventure actually accelerated this change. NATO is likely a nice cover story but NATO was never a direct threat to Russia, unless they decided to get adventurous.The real threat is the western backed democracy movements, the color revolutions that threatened his autocratic regime and classical Russian strong man leadership.

Xi's response to such transitions is far more nuanced, giving the proletariat western goodies while hiding the big stick behind his back. Putin seems to be going for it, as if he has some life threatening disease and wants to achieve his glory on earth before he passes from it. I agree that it doesn't make sense for a sophisticated monster like Daddy Vladdy to expose the bloodthirsty truth and destroy decades of cultivated propaganda and influence peddling.

Something is just not adding up here...

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