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Wow ... they actually printed that first magazine cover ? (Original Post) eppur_se_muova Dec 2021 OP
Europeans know what they are watching & have been watching. Hekate Dec 2021 #1
They have had some experience with Fascism DBoon Dec 2021 #3
I like that! oasis Dec 2021 #2
Der Spiegel nailed it! SunSeeker Dec 2021 #4
See the date, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #5
EU convention k0rs Dec 2021 #14
+1. Internationally aware people write it as 2017-02-04. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #21
More than a year ago! Grins Dec 2021 #6
Good!!!! Mopar151 Dec 2021 #7
It's a good reminder, and the one-year anniversary. nt babylonsister Dec 2021 #8
I can't remember I saw that second one last year or not. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #13
Because the second cover doesn't make sense, soldierant Dec 2021 #20
American Carnage. Orange Buffoon Dec 2021 #9
The first sight in my brain was Kathy GRIFFIN's version. UTUSN Dec 2021 #10
Thought of her as well...... a kennedy Dec 2021 #18
The timeline is interesting. NullTuples Dec 2021 #23
Another American assumes the world is American and that American Exceptionalism rules. Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #24
I remember that first cover! ShazzieB Dec 2021 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Dec 2021 #12
The US general press is so afraid of insulting its owners erronis Dec 2021 #15
Hmmm, looks like Germany is not laughing at us or mistrusting us anymore. Ka-Dinh Oy Dec 2021 #16
We could learn a lot from Germany. Lonestarblue Dec 2021 #17
The second cover is from July 2020 but it appears to be Biden restoring Lady Liberty question everything Dec 2021 #19
And another American thinks America Uber Alles. 11.07.20 is Nov. 7, 2020 in most of the world Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #22
oops. A matter of habit question everything Dec 2021 #25
Okay. Habits can be changed or at least become less automatic. Good luck Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #26
Germany's message to American Nazis. ancianita Dec 2021 #27

k0rs

(152 posts)
14. EU convention
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 02:03 PM
Dec 2021

4 Feb 2017 actually. Not that it matters. Just another way the USA is out of step with the rest of the world.

ShazzieB

(22,593 posts)
13. I can't remember I saw that second one last year or not.
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 02:11 AM
Dec 2021

But I think it's even more meaningful now that Biden’s been in office for over 10 months. A year ago, it was a statement of hope, but now it's reality!

soldierant

(9,354 posts)
20. Because the second cover doesn't make sense,
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 07:13 PM
Dec 2021

or at least makes less sense, if you have forgotten the first one.

And it has definitly been long enough to have been widely forgotten. It's not like Trump** lampoons were limited in number.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
23. The timeline is interesting.
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 07:26 PM
Dec 2021

The cover was published in early April of 2017 and made a minor splash at the time.
Kathy Griffin posted her version on May 31st, 2017.

I salute them both, btw. Hers was also a reference to a long tradition in political protest art of a woman holding the decapitated head of an unliked powerful man of the time period.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
24. Another American assumes the world is American and that American Exceptionalism rules.
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 07:31 PM
Dec 2021

The first cover is February 4, 2017. This would be immediately apparent to people who know that America is actually out of step with most of the world on dates.

Won't get into 12 inches to foot here except to say that US shares non-metric measurements with Liberia and Myanmar. That's American exceptionalism.

The truly international date standard is to write it as 2017-02-04. Unambiguous, and sorting-ready.

Response to eppur_se_muova (Original post)

erronis

(23,883 posts)
15. The US general press is so afraid of insulting its owners
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 02:57 PM
Dec 2021

I didn't want to use MSM - main-stream media since that gets so overused but the overlap is probably 80-90%.

There is a lot of wonderful press outlets that aren't the ones that have been in the pocket of the owner class. Even these independent outlets are probably a bit hesitant to publish what Der Spiegel can. The american culture still has some puritanical elements, altho most of our current-day puritans are really as nasty as they come....

Lonestarblue

(13,481 posts)
17. We could learn a lot from Germany.
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 04:21 PM
Dec 2021

They faced Nazism and ensured at its children are taught its horrors. Hitler and Nazism are not whitewashed the way our history of slavery has been, nor I’m sure has any German history book ever praised Nazis as kind, loving people who did not treat the Jews badly. I believe it is actually illegal in Germany to praise Nazis.

In addition, Germany managed to hold on to most of its manufacturing jobs, in spite of high wages, by focusing on high-quality manufactured products the world wanted. Germany has been an economic success and the de facto leader of the EU. I think it is the only EU country with a trade surplus. I’m not familiar with the government policies that have led to Germany’s success, but we could learn from them.

question everything

(52,135 posts)
19. The second cover is from July 2020 but it appears to be Biden restoring Lady Liberty
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 04:49 PM
Dec 2021

Before the elections...

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
22. And another American thinks America Uber Alles. 11.07.20 is Nov. 7, 2020 in most of the world
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 07:26 PM
Dec 2021

Except America where many people have difficulty conceiving that they are actually out of step with the world in many ways.

It used to be USA led the world. Now it is holding back the world.

The truly international unambiguous standard is 2020-11-07.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
26. Okay. Habits can be changed or at least become less automatic. Good luck
Sun Dec 5, 2021, 08:19 PM
Dec 2021

And thanks for better graces than my post.

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