I think ERs should start doing 'triage' at admit..

[Volaris]

And if it takes 'creative convincing', I no longer much care about the ethics of such effort lol. Example:

Why are you here?

I think I broke my wrist.

Have you been vaccinated for covid?

Hell no.

Ok, well, if you want non-covid treatment FOR ANYTHING, you're getting your damned shot before we let you into the building, or you can go home and set your broken bone yourself with aspirin as painkiller. You have 15 min to decide; theres a line behind you.

But I dont want that poison in my body, that's why I've been eating horse paste.

Sir, Horse Paste is now available as an injection with a DRs Order. I can give you some of that, and then we can help you with the Other Thing.

Ummm..Derp ya that sounds like an awesome idea, let's do that!

Ok, you stay here while I go get the covid vax that says HORSE PASTE on the side of the needle in Sharpie. I'll be right back.

Modern medicine is soooo cool that Ivermectin no longer requires eating...innt that something?!


Seriously, if we can use their own stupidity for their own advantage, shouldnt we be, at this point?, cause I'm just beyond done with their bullshit....

[tymorial]

1. Can't do that.

ERs cannot refuse anyone on the basis of being Immunized and a doctor HAS to see the patient. If you show up at an ER, you will be seen. You may not receive the treatment you expect but a doctor must evaluate. They are liable from the moment the patient is admitted. Doesn't matter if the triage nurse believes the patient is full of shit, undeserving for whatever.

[Demsrule86]

16. I agree...let me tell you a story...my daughter broke both her ankles...she fell of a bleacher like

thing during a concert...her dad and brother were there and she was over 21...she had a beer but had nothing else. When she fell her father dropped his beer and it splashed all over her. I hadn't gone. When hubs called, I thought he was kidding. I head over to the hospital...and the kid apparently had to go the bathroom and the nurse told her there wasn't much wrong with her other than the hangover coming her way and she could walk to the bathroom...she literally collapse in pain on her way back to the bed...I managed to catch her and somehow carried her back to the bed...she weighs more than me but I don't how but I did it I called the nurse who let her get out of bed and took her into the hall and proceeded to ask her why a kid with possible broken bones was allowed to walk to the bedroom and where the hell was she? Her attitude stunk...she thought my daughter was drunk and had fallen down drunk which wasn't true...but even if it had been who the hell was this nurse to sit in judgment?

I lost it. I told her, I would call the ombudsman that night and file a claim with the board...and told her if I caught her talking to my daughter as she had when I arrived I would insist she be removed and a new nurse put on my daughters in charge. DD had her Xray before I arrived and they were waiting for results...it came back broken...simple fracture of one ankle and a hairline fracture of the other...well it was Friday night and they don't set bones anymore in hospital so she was sent home...couldn't walk and no wheelchair. We got her into the house in an office chair...horrible experience. Anyway, it turned out the ankle now had a compound fracture.

I am convinced it happened when she was allowed to get out of bed and walk on it. She had surgery -basically, her ankle was reconstructed and it took months to heal. That nurse had no right to sit in judgement...no one does. If a person comes to the hospital, you treat them or you are going down a very dark path...I don't ever as a country wish to do that...triage means killing people with Covid. I am not OK with letting people die.

[tymorial]

19. That is truly unacceptable

I would have filed a complaint with the quality and patient safety department of the hospital. With two broken ankles and the incident with the bathroom, the attending should have consulted with the on-call orthopedist. She very likely did cause a more severe break by putting weight on it going to the bathroom. The nurse should have insisted she use a wheel chair and be assisted. That she needed to be carried back after ought to have been noted by her attending and resulted in a second set of images for comparison.

I agree with you that they should not have immediately written off her injury as being drunk. Her pain scale would have been impacted if she was as drunk as they believed. Being a Friday night probably impacted the level of care she received I am sorry to say. I have seen it before. I am really sorry that happened to your family.

[Demsrule86]

20. It was pretty awful and we did complain to make matters worse we lived in a small area and the

the doctor looked at the exray from the hospital and didn't set her ankle. I think he must have known when he took the cast off it was still broken but he said she could walk on it and didn't need therapy. I disliked this doctor and had begged Cathy to get a second opinion...two day after the cast came off, I told her no more of anything from me including money, health care etc unless she got a second opinion. And in the meantime no putting any weight on that ankle...no one wanted to give a second opinion. Apparently, this doctor was bad news...so I begged my husband's knee doctor (he didn't do ankles) Just to take a look...he reluctantly agreed. He Xrayed the ankle and it was still broken badly. He then had her taken by ambulance to Cleveland where a UH doctor who took care of the browns reconstructed her ankle...she would probably have been disabled for life had we not sought help...

[tymorial]

22. How long ago was this? You have a lawsuit

Being in a small town maybe you don't want the political drama but everything you wrote absolutely stinks of malpractice. Hell, I can see a lawyer taking it on contingency.

[Demsrule86]

23. No lawyer would take the case...they all said...if she was dead maybe...Ohio has tort reform.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

2. I have no problem turning away the non-vaccinated during triage

[Hortensis]

3. If I were a trumpist, I'd have no trouble turning away Biden voters.

The bastards, trying to destroy our nation. They need to die.

Ethics are enormously important to society; without, it'd collapse. Happy to say that in real life very few of us would behave as we spout here. We're not them.

[keithbvadu2]

4. For anyone checking in to a hospital, ascertain their feelings and if they want ivermectin, refer th

For anyone checking in to a hospital, ascertain their feelings and if they want ivermectin, refer them immediately to a doctor who will treat them with it.

[jmowreader]

10. Veterinarians are taking COVID patients now?

[keithbvadu2]

11. Wishful thinking, eh?

Wishful thinking, eh?

[BlueIdaho]

5. Crisis Standards of Care.

My state has declared Crisis Standards of Care. We no longer take most serious cases first, we take the cases most likely to survive. It’s triage of a sort. I believe our hospitals should go one more step and reserve a percentage of beds for other surgical and medical care ie hip replacements, heart surgery, cancer treatments and the like. Right now all hospital functions have ceased due to unvaccinated covid patients filling all the beds.

Enough is enough.

[Bucky]

8. That's infuriating. But the proper solution should be to commit more resources

Not develop policies about who is worthy to receive treatment.

[Mariana]

14. You can't commit resources that don't exist.

It's not like there's an unlimited supply of doctors, nurses, medications, beds, and equipment.

[BlueIdaho]

17. Correct!

There are no more Doctors and nurses to throw into the fray. The GQP Governor refuses to order a mask mandate, but has ordered national guard troops to “help.” As a doctor from another state said - “We are running out of hallways.”

[keithbvadu2]

12. Yep! Republicans have now developed their death panels.

[KentuckyWoman]

6. Next up

Turning away fat people having heart attacks.

[Bucky]

7. To fight this anti-vax barbarism, we must become barbarians

In order to save lives of those who are worthy, we must start turning away people in need of care. If that makes us moral monsters, at least we're justified in playing God with other peoples' healthcare.

This is why hospitals don't treat head wounds from motorcycle or bicycle accidents if the victims weren't wearing a helmet.

This is why hospitals don't treat lung cancer sufferers if it turns out they used to smoke.

This is why hospitals have a strict do-not-revive policy for people who've tried to commit suicide.

In order to save the village, we have to destroy it.

[Klaralven]

13. Hospitals treat in all those situations because they make money at it.

The problem arises when they have more business than they can handle.

[Bucky]

21. Well there's this thing called the Hippocratic Oath, see

... and apparently hospitals aren't just in it for the money. They have strict ethical guidelines for treating patients and they don't get to just make up on whim whether they treat patients or not.

[Bucky]

9. My heart goes out to those frontline medical professionals. However...

policies rooted in the notion of "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" rarely work out as planned.

We need to educate the unvaccinated, we need to vaccinate the unvaccinated, and we need to treat covid victims who are unvaccinated. We have the resources to do all of this. We just need to find the political will

[StarfishSaver]

15. Exactly. We don't provide or withhold treatment for the ill based on arbitrary views

of a person's culpability for their own illness.

[Piasladic]

18. only if the situation requires it

We're Dems, and better than this. If we don't have enough resources and people, we need to get them. STAT!

We don't need to judge people who come in. We need to treat them.