I am all for Trumpy having a rally on January 20th.

[A HERETIC I AM]

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I think he should hold one and have it scheduled so it runs during the time Biden takes the oath.

And I want Trumpy to have flown there on AF1.

Because at precisely twelve noon, AF1 should push in the brakes and leave Trumpy where ever the hell he is.

Let him walk home, for fucks sake.

The Secret Service guys can leave him standing there at 5 till and get on the plane, or catch commercial flights home. (Edit here, since I didn’t make the point clear). The small, post presidency detachment will stay, but all the rest, with all the vehicles should bugger off back home

If I don't get to see him bodily removed from the White House, I want to see AF1 called back to DC without him on it.

[Trueblue Texan]

1. and won't it look more dignified...

...if the former president is cuffed at a political rally instead of the incoming president's inauguration? Just sayin'...

[mucifer]

2. We can all dream...

[paleotn]

20. Ha! The perp walk of my dreams.

[Girard442]

3. The SS is obligated to protect an ex-POTUS. AF1, OTOH, oh hell yes.

[A HERETIC I AM]

9. I'm not sure they are "obligated"

I'm about to walk out the door to go to work, so I don't have the time to research it, but I understand any ex-president can turn down that protection.

[StarfishSaver]

32. Yes. But the size and duties of the protective detail changes drastically at noon on 1/20

He no longer has a Presidential Protective detail with dozens of agents, post standers, Secret Service Uniformed Division protecting the perimeter, magnetometers, presidential limo and motorcade, military communications, etc.

He goes from all of that to 3 or 4 agents and two vehicles. And while his residence will be guarded, he'll no longer be in a protective "bubble" when he's out and about and pretty much any member of his great unwashed MAGA crowd can just wander up to him, which I am sure he will find to be absolutely delightful, given what he actually thinks of those people.

[calimary]

46. It's a smaller Secret Service detail after he's out of office.

And no more rides in “the Beast” - the super-heavily fortified Presidential limo, or the exalted seat at that exalted Resolute Desk, or the armies of White House aides and other assistants that always populate the White House.

Joe Biden gets all that, as of noon on January 20th, donald. You ain’t it no more.

[joshcryer]

54. He also won't have the ability to lock down entire city blocks.

And entire roads.

He's going to be in for one hell of a whiplash when he says he wants to do a rally or something and they go "well, sir, you need to contact the local police, and arrange something." The the local police go "uh, why are we doing this again?" He'll maybe be able to do one or two but once the local police see how much money his little rally's are costing they are going to push back. It will eat in to his coffers really quickly.

[DeminPennswoods]

43. They are not obligated. It's optional. Secret Service protection can be

declined by the protectee.

[Siwsan]

4. I wonder if they've gotten any volunteers to be on his post-presidency secret service force.

I just checked as to who maintains Secret Service protection after a president leaves office. Just the past POTUS, his spouse and any children under the age of 16. So Barron loses his protection in less than 2 years and the other 3 sprogs lose theirs on Jan 20. I imagine if Melania leaves trump*, I'm sure she will lose hers, too.

[Blue_playwright]

39. 16?

I think that former POTUS kids should have protection until or through college. Until they are adults and can say piss off and take care of themselves.

[Siwsan]

44. That's what the google machine showed me. Seemed a bit young to me, too.

I'd have guessed 18, 21.

I just imagine it would be an assignment from hell, no matter how long they have to look after these miscreants.

[Mr. Ected]

5. In my dreams, I see a Biden inaugural crowd breaking out in unison, "Lock Him Up"

While video of Trump's rally shows a group of menacing agents cuffing Trump and giving him a hearty push into the back of an unmarked car with blackened windows.

[soothsayer]

6. I'm sure the USSS agents will wear masks going forward

[eppur_se_muova]

7. That will be the moment all the security passcards get deactivated --

the modern equivalent of changing the locks.

I hope the guy with the Football is under orders to either walk away at noon or activate the auto-destruct. I'd love to see 45's face when that happens.

[lastlib]

36. I've been curious as to how that will work if Cockwomble doesn't attend the inauguration...

if outgoing and incoming are in two different places at inauguration time, how does the football get from Cockwomble to Joe? Maybe have two footballs? one active, one inactive, then flip a switch to change them?

Ah, the things I have to think about in my down-time.........

[eppur_se_muova]

51. Be sure the Pentagon has multiple copies. Not just for VP, but backups of backups. nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. If he doesn't behave like a grown-up about the inauguration, he certainly shouldn't get the courtesy

helicopter ride afterwards - whether he's in Washington or at a superspreader event (there is, indeed, a public health case for dropping all transport support the moment he stops being president; no crew should be forced to risk their health in whatever situation he decides to manufacture. The minimum Secret Service detail are stuck with him, but that goes with the 'prepared to take a bullet' job description).

[keithbvadu2]

10. And his rally attendees are going to buy tickets (not free anymore).

And his rally attendees are going to buy tickets (not free anymore).

[kurtcagle]

17. Makes me wonder

How quickly those rallies will evaporate when the magats have to pony up $100 a pop just to hear him gish gallup.

[Joinfortmill]

11. Love it

[Squidly]

12. AF1 needs to go straight to the hanger

and undergo a fumigation and total cleaning before Joe takes his first flight. Wouldnt be a bad idea to replace all furnishings as well.

[PCIntern]

13. Complete renovation of effluent systems.

Send the discarded materials to one of those radioactive waste material sites. 30000 years should be sufficient

[FoxNewsSucks]

27. Yes, replace everything.

Starting with the toilets.

[ananda]

14. That would be good karma considering ..

all the people he left stranded in his late rallies.

[dawg day]

15. "Sorry, we have to go back to DC....

For the real president, and Marine 1 is meeting us there."

[scarletwoman]

16. Outgoing presidents leave by helicopter, Marine 1, not on AF1.

So, wherever he wants to be dropped off, it's going to be a one-way trip no matter what.

[A HERETIC I AM]

18. I'm suggesting that he fly to wherever he wants to hold his rally

On Air Force One and be left there.

And BTW, the departure on one of the Marine “White Tops” usually takes the outgoing president to Joint Base Andrews where he is flown “home” on one of the 747’s which will use the call sign “SAM 28000” (or the tail number of whichever aircraft does the flight).

[FoxNewsSucks]

28. That's because until now,

outgoing presidents followed tradition, acted mainly like professional adults, attended the inauguration and left from DC.

[StarfishSaver]

34. They leave on the plane fka Air Force One -

The Marine helicopter, fka Marine One, takes them from the Capitol to Andrews where they board the Air Force jet they used during their presidency to take them to their new home. The plane - provided as a courtesy by the new president - is not called AF1 at that point, however, since that is simply the flight control designation of any fixed wing Air Force aircraft carrying the president of the United States and Trump will no longer be president. It is called SAM ("Special Air Mission.&quot ###.

Marine One is the designation of the Marine helicopter when the president is aboard.

When Nixon resigned and left the White House for San Clemente, the plane he was on was Air Force One for the first part of the flight. But while he was in the air, his resignation became effective and Does was sworn in so, at that moment, the plane's call sign changed from Air Force One to Special Air Mission 27000

[George II]

19. Unfortunately the Secret Service can't leave him where ever he is.....

Even though he doesn't deserve it, the Secret Service continues with him for a certain period of time (I think maybe forever?)

[A HERETIC I AM]

22. An ex president is "entitled " to their protection, but can decline it.

From their own website;

Who does the Secret Service Protect?
Permanent protectees, such as the President and Vice President, have special agents permanently assigned to them. Temporary protectees, such as presidential and vice presidential candidates/nominees and foreign heads of state, are staffed with special agents on temporary assignment from U.S. Secret Service field offices. Protection for the President and Vice President of the United States is mandatory. All other individuals entitled to Secret Service protection may decline security if they choose.

I’m sure he will never decline it, because it makes him feel special

[FoxNewsSucks]

29. also he doesn't have to pay for it.

and he probably views them as his chauffeurs, servants and flunkies.

[Blue_playwright]

41. Pretty sure Melania won't be cooking...

... USSS detail members food and inviting them to eat with the family, like Mrs Carter.

I would avoid that gig like the plague. Might wind up ironing asshole’s pants.

[Paladin]

21. I want a big empty chair at Biden's ceremony, if trump doesn't show up.

A big empty chair, strategically positioned, with trump's name on it. Let history reflect that for centuries to come.

[BobTheSubgenius]

23. I really enjoy this train of thought.

However, the Secret Service is with him for life. Not nearly as many, but as many as any other President has had.

[twodogsbarking]

24. I just want things to be how they were when

you went an entire month without ever hearing the word Trump.

[StarfishSaver]

25. I can't wait to see him try to hold rallies with a drastically scaled back Secret Service detail,

(no metal detectors, no motorcade, no "bubble".), no Air Force One as a backdrop, no WH Communications Agency to handle his sound, lighting, and communications, and no taxpayer funded staff to build and manage a crowd.

This will be fun to not watch.

[FoxNewsSucks]

31. And maybe then cities

will start making him pay up front for their costs.

[StarfishSaver]

35. Yep

And he'll start charging for admission. That will go down well.

[DownriverDem]

26. Don't forget

trump gets Secret Service protection for the rest of his life. Less in number, but he still gets it. trump having to get his own way to Florida though is precious.

[iluvtennis]

30. Aww this would be sweet! (remember whenn he fired Comey and wanted the plane to leave w/o him) nt

[Hekate]

55. I will never forget what he did to Comey. That was one of the most classless moves in history.

My opinion of Trump’s behavior has nothing to do with my opinion of Comey’s bungled Hillary subversion.

[dupagelib]

33. Secret Service role.

If trump is imprisoned, does the secret service have to guard him there?

[evilhime]

37. No call sign

I suspect if not the plane he would land on, then another will be provided but it will not bear the designation AF1 because the man on it is no longer the president. That in an of itself would be a big ego deflator for him . . .not as good as I would like to see but I'm guessing that is what would happen. He would certainly lose whatever motorcade would have driven him once the plane lands wherever he chooses to go.

[Nitram]

38. I agree. It might distract his most loyal cultists while the real business of the country resumes.

[Vinca]

40. That would be pretty funny if he had one of his airport events in front of AF1 and suddenly the jet

engines started and it backed away and took off.

[yaesu]

42. regretfully, the SS will be protecting the criminal for the rest of his putrid life. nt

[Volaris]

45. He would likley do this in dc, on the mall or somesuch,

So as to make as much a spectacle of himself as is possible. Hes just that kind of douchebag.

I do however, approve your idea and hope he has all of his stuff out of the WH by 1145 am, cause he ain't getting back in...he can dumpster dive his own stuff from the curb if need be.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

47. I'll be surprised if he's still in the country on January 20.

He's not going to stick around to be prosecuted and neither are his children.

What would not surprise me is if he tries to make a deal with the government to get off with no prosecution or investigation in exchange for his agreement that neither he nor his family would ever be heard from again in any form.
Not that I agree with this. I just wouldn't put it past him to try.

[Marcuse]

50. No one would believe him.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

52. Exactly right. He's given no reason for anyone to ever believe anything he says.

His mouth is not capable of truth telling.

[ancianita]

48. Yes. Because if his rally is to symbolize an institutionalizing of parallel Repub rule,

AF 1's departure should symbolize his rule's inherent weakness.

71 million should have to see that.

[Marcuse]

49. He'll brag that the crowd at his exit interview is larger than the President's CV conscious crowd

[Initech]

53. He thinks AF1 and the White House are background props.

Maybe we could just give him fake ones while we move into the real ones!

[Ilsa]

56. It would certainly amuse Jim Comey if that happened. nt