NY-SD18: DSA Democrat Julia Salazar lied about her background in primary race

[RandySF]

With that new national spotlight came new scrutiny, and a series of increasingly bizarre controversies. First, she was accused of lying about being a Jewish immigrant who grew up in a working-class household; then, members of her own family sided with the critics picking apart her biography. As the fervor around her grew, the Daily Mail published an even stranger story, digging up a lawsuit involving Keith Hernandez, an arrest for fraud, and … Pottery Barn vouchers? Salazar, for her part, insists she’s a victim of defamation in this last instance, and calls the whole ordeal “one of the most frightening things that had ever happened to me.”

Her immigration claims have proven to be thorny as well. Both on her website and in interviews, she said that she was a “proud immigrant” who moved to the U.S. as a child. Salazar was soon forced to clarify that she was actually born in Miami, but still said she was raised “between two different places.” A City and State article published on August 30 uses interviews with her brother and mother, Christine, to refute this; they say they only visited Colombia a few times. Reporters also contested her claim in the Jewish Currents interview that her family “didn’t all have permanent residence in the U.S.” Her father became a citizen in 1984, they say — several years before Salazar was born. But that City and State article also brings us to …

Salazar’s campaign website says that she’s been working jobs since age 14 “to help make ends meet,” but Christine told City and State that she did not rely on her daughter for any financial help. This seemed to indicate another inconsistency in Salazar’s political image, but Salazar said she never intended to misrepresent herself. “I didn’t work those jobs to support my own family,” Salazar told the Cut. “I did it to support myself to an extent. Like if I ever wanted to have a car to be able to drive to school, I would need to pay for the gas, for insurance. A lot of young people have these responsibilities. That’s not to say, woe is me at all. Just to say that I relied on my jobs in order to make up for what my family wouldn’t be able to really provide. It wasn’t like I was working for my lunch money.” Her brother, Alex, told reporters that “we were very much middle class” and “we had a house in Jupiter along the river, it was in a beautiful neighborhood.”



https://www.thecut.com/2018/09/julia-salazar-state-senate-candidate-controversies-explained.html

[Nevernose]

1. Why are you posting hit pieces on Democrats?

What’s next, a run down of “Hillary crimes?”

[mythology]

2. If the candidate lied like this, it's a public service

[RandySF]

3. She's a primary candidate pretending to be something she's not.

She said what she said and it wasn't the truth.

[George II]

35. Reminds me of another candidate, but this one is on a much larger scale.

[janterry]

4. Is it a hit piece?

Or does she need to step down. Can we run anyone else (or is it too late)?

I don't know her or her district, so - I'm asking .

[RandySF]

5. She's running against a Democratic incumbent for the Sept 13 primary.

[janterry]

8. Well, then, she needs to step aside

and let the incumbent win!

[TexasTowelie]

29. She was a Republican not too long ago.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/106824097

[lagomorph777]

115. That explains it. She's not accustomed to being the in the reality-based community.

She should let the real Dem get the job done.

[Gothmog]

122. Who is surprised by this?

[R B Garr]

129. It's not surprising. It's like an ex-Republican who only targets

electable Democrats with their new-found “progressive” agendas. They totally skip over the Democratic platform and dive right into the woo. What are the odds that conservatives are really all socialists after all??

[JonLP24]

186. There are plenty more Republicans that ditch party

To run as a moderate Democrat even when they run as an independent they still get support from DU like Charlie Crist.

[R B Garr]

192. Christ is from ten years ago or so. Long before 2016.

I don’t believe Christ was part of a group of “socialists” who blamed the Democrats for everything when he switched parties. There are groups now that do that. You should see the new movie “Active Measures”. Everything about how Democrats were/are targeted is explained.

In light of that, people should be asking themselves what makes so-called conservatives become socialists and skip over the Democratic platform completely. The crazy RWers explains Christ’s shift, but not the other groups who blame Democrats for everything.

[R B Garr]

195. There's been a whole history of events since Christ.

This is a post-2016 world. We know the whole story, so isolating grievances is a waste of time. I don’t follow Christ’s career anyway, so your concern over tit for tat treatment falls a bit flat. Look up the new Groups attacking Democrats.

[JonLP24]

201. I have no concern for tot for tat treatment

He was just one example guess it doesn't matter now. I align with DSA and I have never been a Republican or even strongly support Republican policies unlike Blue Dogs.

I'm still pissed off over Bush but I guess stuff before 2016 doesn't matter anymore.

[R B Garr]

202. It certainly does sound like you align with the "DSA."

There are a few groups who insist that their views should be adhered to regardless of how electable they are. That is one reason to question why some — obviously not you — would push unelectable candidates and challenge safe districts. This is exactly the issue. That’s why this is a post-2016 era. You can’t escape the news of the Russian interference. It is a proven fact. People are going to jail. Pitting voters against our nominee are why we have Trump.

[JonLP24]

203. I'm very upset about Russian interference

And a lot of other things. I think Bush had a lot to do with creating the environment that led to Trump.

Electability is a subjective thing but I have no problems with primary races. I don't even care who wins the primary the OP was about which is close to flamebait. I just gave my thoughts on a subthread about Republicans joining our party and wish I never did.

[R B Garr]

204. Well, it looks like more Republicans will be voting

for Democrats, thanks to the mafia guy in the White House. That’s wheat I meant by a post-2016 era. There is so much instability that adding to it by dissing Democrats just to build your own brand is what the Russians saw as a way to split the votes to get Trump in.

That movie Active Measures will really make you mad. Bush era doesn’t even come close to what these foreign attacks did, but you are right that Bush did set off a whole host of evil on his own. McCain’s pick of Sarah Palin really unleashed the RW nuts. Bush had a lot of his Daddy’s retreads who didn’t come off as the unprepared clown that she was.

[JonLP24]

207. I agree on Palin

I meant Bush got us into wars later came "America First." Bush tanked the economy and the tea party blamed Obama but you're right Sarah Palin did unleash the crazy. My point was I'm upset over a lot of things under Trump as well as things that happened in the past because we are still paying for it but the fact Bush had people like Cheney Rumsfeld.

I don't have a brand. I'm a registered Democrat so I can vote in primaries. Policy wise I align more with DSA than the blue dog caucus.

[Eliot Rosewater]

194. Targeting electable Democrats is an agenda. When it is safe to talk about, I will.

There is a long list of folks who are working together to diminish the power of the D party.

I am only allowed to talk about the ones with an R after their name, at certain places. So since we cant talk about it, expect much damage to occur...sigh

[R B Garr]

196. Exactly, ER. It's very disingenuous for some to ignore the

groups that have formed with the agenda of attacking Democrats.

[Demovictory9]

31. +1000

[brush]

60. Seems she's leading and if she doesn't step down and the repugs run against her...

with this info she will lose and the party will lose a seat in the House.

I'm generally against Dem candidates running against Democratic incumbents, especially unvetted ones. And even if credentials are real subbing one Dem for another Dem doesn't increase our numbers in the House.

[lapucelle]

79. She's running for a seat in the state senate.

[Hortensis]

92. Yes, this is information voters need to know.

It's not uncommon for some people who run for office to have "something wrong" with them, trouble with honesty and other abilities needed to function responsibly.

Spewing half of these bizarre whoppers, if this were a social event people would smile pleasantly and move away as soon as it was polite. DSAers should have vetted her before supporting her, and the media investigated before starting its puffery.

Btw, according to City & State New York, this is the house in Jupiter on the east coast of Florida where she spent several early years of her childhood. Presumably minus the landscaping she and her brother would have played on.



https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/new-york-city/julia-salazar-brother-mother-question-claims.html

[Gothmog]

123. We need to select the best possible Democratic candidate for the general election

[Hortensis]

125. +a million. First and last consideration while corruption

and extremism have weaponized the Republican Party against democracy. We MUST stop them.

[Nevernose]

23. It certainly looks so

It’s a fairly basic anti-Leftist hit piece, based entirely off her right wing brother’s allegations (which their mother says are untrue) and an “anonymous source,” with some twisting of her words/intentions thrown in.

The allegations of her lying aren’t even really probable, because they’re all based entirely on HER perception — and apparently the manufactured perceptions of whatever semi-salacious BS people are willing to buy because they’re apparently pissed at socialists.

[RandySF]

40. Did you see the house she lived in?

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/new-york-city/julia-salazar-brother-mother-question-claims.html



And her campaign website first stated she was born in Colombia.

[George II]

51. How did she, along with her brother and mother "immigrate from Colombia"....

...when they were all born in Florida?

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/new-york-city/julia-salazar-brother-mother-question-claims.html

[Cha]

54. Thank you for pointing that out to the poster who

claims.. "..It’s a fairly basic anti-Leftist hit piece, based entirely off her right wing brother’s allegations.."

[WillowTree]

69. So she "perceived" that she was born in Columbia when she was really born in Florida?

Do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds?

[George II]

73. A takeoff of a quote by a famous politician:

"She was born in Colombia before she was born in Florida."

[WillowTree]

89. LOL!!

[lapucelle]

82. If anyone is alleging that she is not an immigrant,

it's probably because she was born in Florida.

[tblue37]

6. We don't need candidates that are easily taken down by GOP oppo research. nt

[RandySF]

9. It only took the NY Daily News a few hours to discover she was lying.

[john657]

26. Makes me wonder what else she's allegedly being untruthful about.

If the NY Daily News can expose her that easily, just think what the pub party can find on her.

[OnDoutside]

22. 100% agree.

[George II]

14. Julia Salazar is running against a DEMOCRAT in the primary! As we saw in many other primary races..

...over the last couple of months from others, this is democracy.

This would be different if it was a general election. Do we want flawed candidates representing our Party in November?

[RandySF]

17. I actually supported her before this all came out

So unnecessary. One can be well-off and still support progressive causes.

[john657]

19. Why shouldn't we know the truth about our own?

Better to know now than after the election.

[Demovictory9]

32. its good to know the opposition research before the primary

[Cha]

37. It's a primary candidate.. would you rather it came

out in the GE?

No need to bring Hillary into this, either.

[George II]

39. You should have read the article before making a rash accusation.

[ehrnst]

42. Fact checks are not "hit pieces."

Last edited Sun Sep 9, 2018, 06:38 PM - Edit history (1)

And any article on "Hillary crimes" would be non-factual, which would make it a hit piece.

Does that clarify the difference?

[peggysue2]

44. Hillary's Crimes, Really?

Seems to me that says more about you than Julia Salazar.

And from everything I've read, this young woman is not a good candidate when she's fictionalizing her own biography, lying to her constituency and pretending to be a Democrat.

She needs to step aside.

[Cha]

53. Thank you, peggysue! What does Hillary have to do

with it? Why bring freaking rw shite into this?

[peggysue2]

55. Exactly!

[betsuni]

45. Wait, holding feet to the fire with constructive criticism during primaries is bad now?

It's good advice to urge candidates to be as truthful as possible. Otherwise the optics are of someone who people can't trust, as well as being unlikeable.

[Cha]

57. Well said, betsuni. I hear tell that's what primaries are for..

[sheshe2]

46. Not sure where you are trying to go here.

Nevernose
1. Why are you posting hit pieces on Democrats?

What’s next, a run down of “Hillary crimes?”

First I see no where that ANYONE has posted a hit piece. Questions have come up, if you read the article that she has embellished her history and has since walked back many of her statements. She lied to the American people, sorry, that is a fact. She is now trying to correct that. I hold every politician to the same standards, Democrats. Democratic Socialist or Republican. Are we not in the same sort of battle with Kavanaugh?

Then to your last sentance???? What Hillary crimes...I know what you seem to have meant, yet you added the word crimes. Crimes. She committed none.

PS>SHE was a Republican a few years ago and ANTI CHOICE. Sure people can come around and change, yet this, put all together bothers me.

[George II]

52. What does Hillary Clinton have to do with a primary candidate....

...misleading the voters about many aspects of her background?

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/new-york-city/julia-salazar-brother-mother-question-claims.html

[betsuni]

56. It took two minutes for a WhataboutHillaryWhataboutHillaryWhataboutHillary knee-jerk.

[Cha]

58. By Jove you're right.. shocking.

lol

[George II]

62. Inasmuch as I was born in SD18 and lived there for my first nine years*, I can say this....

....."A New York Minute"!

*Even though we moved to Queens when I was nine years old I lived in that district longer than Ms. Salazar.

[cwydro]

111. You think we should ignore it when Dems do bad things?

I don’t.

[Gothmog]

121. This is the primary and we need the best possible Democrat on the ballot for general election

[Lee-Lee]

191. Democratic Socialists are not Democrats

The Democratic Socialists in fact have their own party, and while a good portion of the party platform overlaps with that of the Democratic Party there are also some very significant differences.

Now the DSA is not very strong, so often their people use the Democratic Party and it’s ballot access and organization to try and seek election because they can’t with the DSA.

But anyone who calls themselves a Democratic Socialist instead of a Democrat is actively choosing to identify with another party and their beliefs instead of as a Democrat, even if they are running on the D ticket as a way to use the power and infrastructure and ballot access the Democratic Partu has built.

[Eliot Rosewater]

193. Hillary commited crimes?

[Scurrilous]

7. From the tabs...

EXCLUSIVE: Private school, a waterside home, luxury boats, a jet-ski for four and a maid - Democratic Socialist Julia Salazar's brother reveals truth about the childhood she called 'hardscrabble'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6143437/Brother-Julia-Salazar-says-grew-maid-went-private-school.html

...and from Tablet:

https://www.tabletmag.com/tag/julia-salazar


A tangled web indeed.

[0rganism]

10. seems like her immediate family isn't supporting her

that is not a sign of a healthy candidacy.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

18. You mean her right wing brother? Well there is a surprise.

[john657]

20. Doesn't mean it's not the truth.

It should be easy enough to verify.

[john657]

21. It's not just him saying this,

several of her relatives/family/acquaintances are saying the same thing.

[RandySF]

25. Here's a picture of her childhood house in the link

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6143437/amp/Brother-Julia-Salazar-says-grew-maid-went-private-school.html

[john657]

27. Nice house.

Looks more like upper middle class then middle class.
Glad we're finding out about this now rather than the general elections.

[obamanut2012]

71. It's in JUPITER

Just like Boca, there ain't too many poor folks in either place.

[TexasTowelie]

30. She was a Republican and anti-abortion not too long ago.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/106824097

I realize that people can change, but I would be skeptical of her if I was voting in that election.

[George II]

34. It's one thing to change, but it's another to misrepresent what one changed "from".

[ehrnst]

43. DSA candidates are apparently capable of "growth"

Anyone even an inch to the right of DSA doesn't grow - they "pander."

Recall all of the gnashing of teeth concerning Hillary's political positions as a teenager 'proving' that she is "Republican lite?"

[sheshe2]

49. What does her brother's politcal persuasion have to do with it?

Are you saying that as a Repug he hates his sister so much that he would lie about her and ruin her attempt to run for office? Seriously? Hell, my father was a Repuke and I did not hate him.

PS...she was a Republican herself a very short time ago..AND ANTI CHOICE.

[George II]

50. It seems that she might have been "right wing", i.e., a republican, herself before...

....before she became a Democrat. Whether his brother is right wing, anarchist, or politically naive, if he's telling the truth all that doesn't matter.

The fact is that she said, among other things, "My family immigrated to the U.S. from Colombia when I was a baby" even though she was born in Miami, as was her brother and her mother.

[George II]

41. When I was born my father was earning less than $20 a week and my mother did....

....piece work out of our 4-room railroad flat (7 of us lived there) in Brooklyn. THAT was "hardscrabble".

[oberliner]

47. Daily Mail is a right-wing UK tabloid

[sheshe2]

59. The OP however was not the Daily Mail.

Your point?

[betsuni]

63. That post said "From the tabs" -- "tabs" means tabloids.

[lapucelle]

88. And facts are facts. N/T

[grantcart]

99. color me not surprised.

[chowder66]

11. Here is the other side of the story

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/5/17806484/julia-salazar-socialist-working-class-jewish-background

[RandySF]

12. .

One problem with this interpretation is that she has fudged her immigrant story in other ways. In a recent interview with Jewish Currents, she said, “I was born in Miami and we didn’t all have permanent residence in the US.” This seems to suggest that her father wasn’t a citizen, which isn’t true. Salazar claims she was referring to the fact that her father was in Colombia frequently, not (as it seemed) his citizenship.




https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/5/17806484/julia-salazar-socialist-working-class-jewish-background

[chowder66]

13. I'm not arguing one way or the other but Vox took the time to get some clarification

from her perspective. Some of her explanations seem reasonable, some seem like embellishment.

[chowder66]

114. As I said above, I'm not trying to argue this. I posted her explanation

it's up to the reader or voter to decide.

[George II]

132. My mother was an immigrant from Canada, I was born in Brooklyn, actually in this very district!

We traveled back and forth between Canada and home almost every year for decades from the time I was two or three years old. I was never confused about where I was born.

[George II]

15. We need to know things like this BEFORE such a candidate represents our Party in November. Thanks.

[NurseJackie]

48. Vetting!

[JHan]

16. this story is sooooo WILD.

[OnDoutside]

24. It's fair to say that her continuing candidacy is "problematic"

In the age of Google, creating a persona as she has, calls a lot of things into question.

[john657]

28. There's just no hiding from the internet.

[erronis]

33. Yes there is. Just pollute the discussion enough so the facts become obscured and the searchers are

driven away from the facts.

The internet gives and then gives too much of what it wants you to see.

I wish DU didn't use google as its search engine since it is already known(?) to favor certain targets.

[RandySF]

38. The press didn't need the internet to sniff this one out.

[OilemFirchen]

36. Bolvan.

Salazar said that her late father told her she had a Sephardic last name, which is what sparked her interest in the religion...

[Scurrilous]

61. Socialist State Senate Candidate Julia Salazar Led Pro-Life Group In College

<snip>

"Last month, Democratic Socialist and State Senate hopeful Julia Salazar was forced to explain why, as an 18-year-old in Florida, she initially registered to vote as a Republican. "She had conservative views at the time of graduating high school," her campaign spokesperson told the Daily News. "But they quickly changed as she went to college in 2009."

Salazar's evolution on the issue of reproductive rights, however, was less swift. As a junior in college, she served as the president of Columbia Right to Life, where she actively fought to ensure that a fund for abortion services would not be paid for by Columbia students, according to those involved in campus organizing at the time.

"We didn't establish an abortion fund, in part because of some of the concerns of Right to Life, which was led by Julia and basically singularly opposed to this," says Zoe Ridolfi-Starr, the lead activist with Columbia Democrats during the controversy. "It was a tense fight, and the stakes felt high... the funding sources changed because of the concerns expressed by Right to Life.”

Salazar, who's running for the North Brooklyn state Senate seat against eight-term incumbent Martin Dilan, told Gothamist that she regrets her former views on abortion, which were the result of being "exposed almost exclusively to reactionary right wing media and political discourse" during her childhood.

But while the 27-year-old candidate now stands firmly in support of reproductive rights, Salazar's early views on abortion persisted throughout most of her time at Columbia."

http://gothamist.com/2018/08/20/salazar_pro_life_group_columbia.php

[oberliner]

64. Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater Girl in college

People change.

[betsuni]

66. No she wasn't. She was sixteen when Goldwater ran. She never registered as a Republican.

[George II]

72. What was the name of Al Gore's book for which he won a Grammy?

Oh yeah, "An Inconvenient Truth".

[oberliner]

74. Yes, she was

She has said so several times in interviews. And she said when she went to college, she considered herself a Republican - and that over her time in college, her views changed.

[betsuni]

80. You said she was a Goldwater Girl in college. She was not.

She was a Goldwater Girl during the 1964 election when she was sixteen. After the election there were no Goldwater Girls. By the next election she voted for the Democrat. She said by her junior year in college she had changed her politics. This is correct: "And she said when she went to college, she considered herself a Republican and that over her time in college, her views changed." This is not: "Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater Girl in college."

[oberliner]

83. Yes, she was

She joined the Young Republicans her freshman year in college and carried a copy of Goldwater's "The Conscience of a Conservative" with her. She was a Goldwater Girl - she admired him throughout late high school and early college. Have you read her 2003 autobiography, Living History? She talks about this very openly.

The point is that she had pro-Republican views but went on to become a progressive Democrat.

The implication that Julia Salazar having pro-Republican views in college is somehow significant is belied by HRC's transformation.

I raise the comparison for the sole purpose of rebutting the attack on Ms. Salazar, a Democrat.

[betsuni]

86. Gee, you're really into this. You must be a huge Hillary fan!

No, I didn't read "Living History" -- guess I'm not as big of a fan as you.

[ehrnst]

116. Elizabeth Warren was a Republican in 1993

But somehow that seems to be much less of an issue with those who held up the NPR interview where she talked about her teen years as "proof" HRC was a neocon.

Also, when HRC evolves or admits regret on a vote or issue, that "change" has been called pandering or pivoting.

That's why your comment stuck out - because Warren's change is much more of an example of holding one to one's adult life than Hillary's teen years political views.

[Cha]

156. CRICKETS!

Well Done, ehrnst

[George II]

67. But their childhood doesn't. She claimed to be an "immigrant" but was born in Miami....

....to a Miami-born mother.

PS - your gratuitous comment about Hillary Clinton is duly noted.

[betsuni]

68. And the WhataboutHillaryWhataboutHillaryWhataboutHillary gratuitous comment wasn't even true.

People should really get their facts straight.

[oberliner]

75. Yes, it is

People should really get their facts straight.

[oberliner]

76. My comment about Hillary Clinton was not gratuitious

It was deliberately used to make the point that people change, including some of the Democrats we most admire such as Hillary Clinton.

[LanternWaste]

100. I like the way you rationalize it.

The plausible deniability is strong. Admirable, indeed.

Though... no one has argued that "no one changes." It was merely an inference on your part.

[betsuni]

65. Going to reference this the next time I see "Goldwater Girl."

[betsuni]

70. Well, I didn't have long to wait.

The WhataboutHillary bus is always early.

[oberliner]

77. "We used to wear little banners which said Goldwater Girl"

"I went to Wellesley still a Republican"

She has talked about this several times. Do you need to watch a video?

The point being - she changed and evolved her views.

Just like Julia Salazar.

[George II]

78. Hillary Clinton didn't "evolve" her birthplace.

[oberliner]

81. I was only addressing the "Julia Salazar Led Pro-Life Group In College" post to which I responded

I don't think it matters what someone's views were in college. People change. That's my only point here.

With respect to the other stuff, I don't know what to make of it all.

[sheshe2]

87. Nope.

77. "We used to wear little banners which said Goldwater Girl"

"I went to Wellesley still a Republican"

She has talked about this several times. Do you need to watch a video?

The point being - she changed and evolved her views.

Just like Julia Salazar.

You made this about Hillary, not just Salazar, who in fact should never have been brought up in this thread in the first place. I also know you did not bring her name here, Oberliner. It never should have become a what about Hillary meme, yet it always is.

[peggysue2]

93. Yes, please remind us when HRC claimed to have been born in . . . Columbia

Btw, defending the indefensible is not a good look. Unless you're in the alternate facts camp.

[Cha]

138. Well done, peggysue!

[betsuni]

84. She was a Goldwater Girl during the election. After the election there were no Goldwater Girls.

Yes, she said she was a Republican in college. Why didn't you just say that then? Because you wanted to use the old talking point that Hillary Clinton is a Republican/not progressive/warmonger/Wall St. shill because she was a Goldwater Girl. We all know this.

[oberliner]

85. Yes, there were

People didn't immediately stop liking Barry Goldwater after he lost the election.

Hillary Clinton is someone I fervently admire and have supported enthusiastically both in her recent presidential run and in her previous Democratic primary campaigns.

The reason I brought her up in this context was because I thought it would be the most effective defense of Julia Salazar who is being unfairly maligned for views that she held in college.

[sheshe2]

96. Nope.

She is being fairly taken to task for basically lying on her resume about her background and birthplace. The side issue is her political beliefs.

[RandySF]

91. Harvey Milk entered politics as a Goldwater volunteer.

[betsuni]

95. It only matters if your name is Hillary. Anyone else, nobody cares.

[RandySF]

90. So Salazae was a Republican no less than 5-6 years ago

Yet people complained about Hillary supporting Goldwater 44 years before running for president.

[ecstatic]

94. Not familiar with her, but it sounds like a dealbreaker

There's no need to make up a silly backstory. If she wants to do that, she should run as a republican where common sense isn't common.

[Tarheel_Dem]

97. K&R

[mcar]

101. Disturbing information

[RandySF]

103. It's a primary

And it's been objectively proven by the NY Daily News and others that she lied about where she was born and her circumstances growing up.

[SkyDancer]

105. Tell that to the people who got in trouble

defending AOC in her race against Crowley.

[RandySF]

107. Did AOC lie, too?

[George II]

127. Well "lie" is a pretty strong word, but it's been proven that she exaggerated some things.

[ehrnst]

134. The OP is about Salazar.

Are you saying that to point out issues with one DSA candidate is to say that about all of them?

And the inverse - that if one DSA candidate has not been found to have been lying, that all are equally honest?

Because that's what it sounds like.

[vi5]

113. Sure, whatever....

Have at it. ...just noting a pattern in your posts and who you take issue with, what they seem to have in common, and who you seem to feel is important to call out during a primary (and in the case of AOC, also long after she is the chosen Democratic candidate).

[R B Garr]

117. Typical diversion to make it personal as if noting someone's

campaign lies isn’t the actual character issue.

[NurseJackie]

133. It appears that others are noticing patterns too... different ones, however.

[ehrnst]

135. Ad hominem attack.

Sure, whatever....

[john657]

104. If you believe that the OP is posting RW talking points,

then alert on it and let it go to a jury, although I'm quite positive that that's already been done.

I, for one, would like to know about a candidate's background before the GE and this candidate seems to have some truth issues.

[SkyDancer]

106. This race has become pretty bad

Its gotten VERY dirty & isn't a good look for our party at all.

I like & support Salazar. It all comes down to the issues.

Its sad to see this go down this road and there is a lot more to it than just this. I wish I could post more but I fear I'd then be in trouble for "bashing Democrats".

[john657]

108. Did she or did she not lie about her upbringing?

Do you believe that we should hold our candidates accountable for their actions/words as we do the pubs?

[SkyDancer]

110. Yup

In the end for me it comes down to issues though. Who will make lives of the poor & working class better. It all boils down to that for me.

[john657]

112. How do you know that once she gets into office,

she won't lie again?

For me, it comes down to honesty, character, if one doesn't have that, then one doesn't have anything.

[Hortensis]

128. Come on, SkyDancer. Loyalty to bad people is

what corrupted the trumpsters. They've followed them into the depths.

So buck up, despise people who lie to you, accept this one as a discard, and back our other candidate. DSAers are 90% piggybacking on standard liberal Democratic positions anyway, lying that they are their own, and the other 10% isn't doable now or we probably would be.

And get happy. Things are far better in our party than you seem to imagine. Certainly, culling this dysfunctional dud is democracy working as it should.

[Tarheel_Dem]

167. "Loyalty to bad people is what corrupted the trumpsters." Speaks volumes about what some people....

are willing to settle for as long as they can put a win on the scoreboard. I know it's rare these days, but truth & integrity still matter to many of us.

[john657]

171. K&R.

[Hortensis]

173. I wonder. Did "many of us" pride themselves on their high

principles while watching over 3000 terrified children being kidnapped away from their families and put in detention camps?

Did some of them by any chance pride themselves on their integrity as the federal minimum wage was NOT raised to $15, as state college tuition did NOT become affordable, and as the eligibility age for Medicare was not dropped to 55?

In the real world those our actions put in power do real things. Everyone whose conceit was to waste their vote as as a personal statement to hang on the wall and preen themselves over -- instead of to keep power away from these evil people -- now owns what they are doing, the same as those who voted directly for them.

Because those irresponsible enablers watched Trump and all the rest of those bastards all through the campaign, knew what they were, and refused to use their votes to stop them from getting power. The enormous hypocrisy and intense immorality of that are truths about themselves that they all really need to examine.

But their failures as citizens are a grim lesson for all.

[Tarheel_Dem]

175. Are there any Democrats who agreed with children being "kidnapped from their families"?

[Hortensis]

177. No. And that is the point.

But until they were told to leave there were some right here on DU who prided themselves on "principles" and "integrity" that wouldn't allow them to vote for our nominee and some other Democrats. They knew Trump was the alternative, and their confusion of symbolic votes with integrity lead them to completely betray the principles they claimed.

These elective positions are real jobs with real power, and we are responsible for what those we help get elected then do. Integrity requires trying to make the real results of acting on one's principles reflect those principles in the real world.

We all have the right to vote for whomever we want, but we should be honest with ourselves and with full understanding and acceptance of the consequences.

[Tarheel_Dem]

178. I'm sorry, but this conversation has seemingly gone off the rails. But thanks.

[betsuni]

189. +1

[sheshe2]

180. Yep.

Tears that we would just settle.

I stand for truth and integrity every time.

[john657]

184. Right on sheshe2.

[sheshe2]

187. Hey, john.

Thanks.

I have loved reading all your responses in this thread.

Keep on keeping on.

Bravo.

We can do this. We can. We must.

[john657]

188. Back atcha.

[ehrnst]

136. Like it was for you about HRC?

You owe me a new keyboard...

[Eliot Rosewater]

141. You win the internet

[JHan]

159. roflmao

[betsuni]

190. Ha! I know people who called Obama Obummer and Hillary was Killary

and all Democrats are crooks & liars, and at the same time insist everything is about policy.

[NurseJackie]

137. ...

Many people said almost identical things to justify their vote for Stein. (Not you, of course. I have no idea how you may have voted one way or the other. All I'm doing is pointing out the similarities in the words.)

[Cha]

140. If Salazar can Lie this easily about where she came

from.. she can Lie about anything. No integrity.

[SkyDancer]

160. "Lie" is a bit much

I'll support the Democrat who backs M4A which helps millions along with other progressive issues.

[john657]

161. i'm sorry, but lie is not a bit much

she flat out lied about several things about her childhood, to me, that's grounds for disqualification.

We're condemning Kavanaugh, rightly so, so explain why we shouldn't condemn her also.

It's all about integrity, honesty and character, without those, you've got nothing.

[namahage]

162. If she can misrepresent something so easily verified,

how are you so certain she'll support M4A--just because she says so?

Seems more like she'll say just what she thinks people want to hear.

[Cha]

163. Your denying the reality of Salazar's Lies is a bit much.

[SkyDancer]

164. It's "you're"

and I like where she stands on the issues

[Cha]

165. NO it isn't.. IT's YOUR DENYING REALITY IS a Bit MUCH.

[SkyDancer]

166. lol ok

I will continue to support Democratic candidates who stand for progressive values with issues.
Great stuff!

[sheshe2]

181. Hmmm

SkyDancer
166. lol ok

I will continue to support Democratic candidates who stand for progressive values with issues.
Great stuff!

No matter their lies? Interesting that you take her at her word, SkyWalker. She fibbed on her resume. Fact. Some of us may end up in a pine box because of it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

168. When you check someone for grammatical errors, it would help if you knew what you were talking about

[john657]

172. How do you know she's not lying about where she stands?

If she lied about something so easily verifiable, then what's to keep her from lying about where she stands on issues just to get elected?

Something to think about.

[Gothmog]

185. If this weak candidate is the nominee, the GOP will have a great deal to use in the general election

[RandySF]

109. I know there's more

But I didn't think it was worthy of discussion.

[R B Garr]

118. Well, this is what happens when you try to

woo people with science, but it’s all woo and no science.

[Gothmog]

126. Do you think that the GOP will ignore these facts if this person is the nominee of the party?

[George II]

130. How has it gotten dirty other than one candidate misrepresenting a lot about his/her background?

[john657]

131. With some,

it's all about the D after their name, doesn't matter what their character is, as long as there's a D in there.

[Eliot Rosewater]

143. If only, some folks dont care about the D at all, it isnt the D they are interested in AT ALL

It is something or better someONE else but I dont dare say who

[Cha]

146. Apparently it's "dirty" that Salazar's Lies had to come

out and burst their bubble. They simply don't care that she lied about her background.

[Cha]

139. No, it comes down to Salazer lying about her background.

[R B Garr]

119. Well, well. Lying about basic facts like where you were

born and other easily provable stuff just makes the whole “socialist” agenda suspect as well. Who lies about where they were born.

[Gothmog]

120. I am glad that this information came out before the primary

I would hate to see this person on the general election ballot

[Blue_Tires]

124. kick

[dembotoz]

142. would assume this has been alerted as attacking dems

why its not locked?
i dunno......

[Cha]

144. This "dem" is in a primary race and has lied about her background.

It's called.. not covering up the facts.

[David__77]

152. Why "dem" in quotes? She's a Democrat and supported by Democrats like US Rep. Nydia Velazquez.

I can understand not supporting her. I can understand criticizing her. She is a Democrat.

[Cha]

154. I was replying to the poster's "dem". How does Nydia Velazquez

feel about Salazar lying about her past?

[David__77]

158. Ok.

I appreciate your response.

I don’t know Rep. Velazquez’s view on Salazar - I just know that she endorsed Salazar.

[George II]

170. Yes, you're correct, she's a Democrat, she's not a dem, ergo I suspect that's the reason for "dem"?

[RandySF]

145. Covered and proven by NYC press

Including the left-leaning NY Daily News

[Cha]

157. Thank you, RSF. So Salazar's defenders can't call

"rw news".

It's not a smear if it's true.

[dembotoz]

147. lol still attacking a dem

[George II]

151. How is it an attack? It's merely pointing out factual errors.

I DID come from a "working class" background, and I sure wish I grew up in a house like that in Jupiter. No, I grew up in a 4-room railroad flat with my parents and four siblings (7 of us total) in, of all places, the neighborhood of Bushwick in Brooklyn.

[Cha]

155. lol.. still trying to cover up the facts of Salazar lying about

her past.

[Tarheel_Dem]

169. Do you guys seriously not know what a primary is?

[dembotoz]

174. I know we are not supposed to attack fellow dems

Find it rather disgusting

[Tarheel_Dem]

176. You keep saying that like it means something. We're not allowed to attack GE candidates.

People choose sides in primaries. So what you're saying is ludicrous on its face.

[john657]

179. Wrong.

We're not supposed to attack Dems in the general election, the primaries are a whole different ball of wax.

[dembotoz]

182. Not enforced that way but continue ur fantasies

[john657]

183. When someone lies about their upbringing,

I will not support them and I will call them out, be it pub or Dem, because without honesty, integrity or character, then you have nothing and you shouldn't even run for office.

We see that almost exclusively in the pub party, there's no, none. nada. reason why we should put up with it in our party just because someone has a D after their name.

If you can't see that, then I don't know what else to say.

[George II]

148. It's not an attack on "dems". There is a primary campaign going on. One candidate has....

...apparently misrepresented her background and even her place of birth. I don't understand how presenting facts, and the objective presentation of those facts, can be interpreted as an "attack".

Along the lines of her explained confusion about her place of birth, I posted this elsewhere - my mother was an immigrant from Canada and I was born in Brooklyn (coincidentally in Bushwick, the actual State Senate District under discussion!).

From the time I was two or three years old we traveled to Canada almost yearly for decades. I was never "confused" about whether or not I was born in Brooklyn or Canada, or was an immigrant myself.

[dembotoz]

150. yep keep saying that

[R B Garr]

153. Are there some kind of bonus points for promoting

an immigrant status when there really isn’t one?? How does this work?

[namahage]

149. Shades of Nkechi Diallo.

A completely unforced error that will impact her effectiveness.

[George II]

197. Now it's come out that she gave an endorser, Citizens Union, false information....

....about her educational background, and they've withdrawn their endorsement:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/106824109

Citizens Union drops endorsement of Julia Salazar, citing 'not correct' information about her academic credentials

A good government group has withdrawn its backing of Julia Salazar for state Senate, saying the candidate provided information about her academic credentials that proved to be incorrect.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

“Citizens Union is hereby rescinding the preference it expressed for Julia Salazar in the Democratic Primary for New York State Senate District 18,” Randy Mastro, the chair of the group, said in a statement. “Salazar recently admitted that the information she originally provided to Citizens Union about her academic credentials was not correct, so Citizens Union has decided to express no preference in this race.”

Salazar’s campaign materials had implied she graduated from Columbia University, but when questioned by the New York Times, she said she had completed her coursework but never graduated.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

During her time at Columbia, Salazar — now running as a progressive Democrat of Jewish faith who supports abortion rights and the people of Palestine — was a Christian right-to-life activist who supported Israel. While she had campaigned as a Colombian immigrant, she was born in the United States to an American mother and Colombian father. Her statements about a working class upbringing have also been called into question by statements from her brother and mother who said the family did not struggle financially.

In fact, the family owned a home next door to Mets legend Keith Hernandez — and Salazar was embroiled in a bizarre legal battle with the ballplayer and his ex-wife that included a claim of an affair, which Salazar has denied, and a libel lawsuit involving accusations of drug use, bank theft and pilfered Pottery Barn vouchers.

more..

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-julia-salazar-unendorsed-academic-credentials-20180911-story.html

This is quite troubling, to say the least.

[Hortensis]

198. Citizens Union has dropped its endorsement, citing

misrepresentations about education.

Hopefully this embarrassment will cause all these groups to do some vetting before endorsing. Passing on those who just won't do will benefit all of us by clearing the way for good people who want to run to the left of the big Democratic mainstream.

Notably, Salazar'sendorsers didn't all just miss a truck load of whoppers that the most cursory scrutiny would have turned up, and they didn't just miss real, substantive scandals, including her criminal record, but biggest of all they missed a huge, longstanding pattern that screams unfitness for any position of trust and authority.

For those who were surprised about it, there's nothing strange about her move from left to far right to left again. That's a very short migration that many with extremist tendencies make, both directions, often holding positions from both, though most seem to eventually settle on the far right. More power and action over there, maybe, or...?

There's unexpected humor in her claim that she "refuses" to take money from NY's powerful real estate industry. There would have been no offers to refuse. Big business donors vet first.

[JHan]

199. 'There would have been no offers to refuse. Big business donors vet first." - ++

[Gothmog]

200. Thanks for posting this

[Scurrilous]

205. Two long reads:

This Week in Julia Salazar She had a trust fund, her ancestors were Catholic elites, and she has a new version of her conversion story

<snip>

"A state senate race that was once hailed as a test of the rising strength and power of insurgent socialists has devolved into a full-fledged New York City tabloid circus, featuring charges of lies, identify fraud, theft, and an affair with New York Mets legend Keith Hernandez.

And that was just last week.

Every time the life story of first-time state senate candidate Julia Salazar, 27, seems it can’t get any more convoluted, it does. First, questions were raised about her religious background and political affiliation, after it was revealed she grew up in a Christian family and was a registered Republican who led an anti-abortion group in college before running for office as a Jewish socialist. Then, her self-identification as an immigrant came under fire — she was born in Miami — and her own brother went to town on her claims that she is from a working-class background. Next came revelations of a complex legal dispute with Hernandez’s wife that had led to Salazar being arrested on identity-impersonation charges; she doggedly pursued a defamation countersuit that was ultimately settled in her favor. Amid that story, legal documents surfaced showing her lawyer pointing to “Ms. Salazar trust Account records showing in excess of $600,000” in assets in 2011 and therefore no incentive to steal from Hernandez’s wife.

Now the campaign has confirmed Salazar has had substantial assets held in trust for her. “Julia’s father, who played a very limited role in raising her after her parents’ divorce, was not able to work due to disability in the final years of his life, but on his death in 2009 he left a house and considerable retirement savings; those assets were put in a trust to be divided evenly between Julia and her brother,” campaign spokesman Michael Kinnucan said. “Julia does not have direct access to the trust; the trustee is a relative in Colombia.”

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/09/julia-salazar-new-york-state-senate.html

Trust fund baby claiming a 'hardscrabble' upbringing...


This Is the Story of How a Campaign Goes Off the Rails

<snip>

"Exactly one week before the New York state primary, 27-year-old Julia Salazar faced a political candidate’s worst nightmare. She briskly walked away as reporters chased her, shouting questions about a new scandal — her fifth in five months on the campaign trail.

This particular controversy involved allegations from her college years. In 2011, Salazar was arrested for impersonating Keith Hernandez’s wife in order to commit bank fraud. Charges were never brought, yet the Daily Mail concluded that she’d had an affair with the former Mets star, also known for his Seinfeld cameos.

Over the previous five weeks, Salazar, a Democratic Socialist state senate candidate billed as a rising star in the vein of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, had to explain herself, a lot — for questions about her Jewish identity, for having misled voters about whether she was an immigrant, for her anti-abortion and pro-Israel activism and her very brief stint as a Republican. Just as this story was going to press, she was doing more explaining: Salazar tweeted that she was about to be outed as a sexual assault survivor."

<snip>

"The stories added to a sense that Salazar is untrustworthy, already a topic of conversation following accounts that she’d misled reporters about being an immigrant (she was born in Miami; her father had immigrated from Colombia), and that her politics had shifted to the left from so right-wing that she’d once appeared on Glenn Beck’s show as a college student to vent about anti-Israel sentiment on campus. Today, she does not back away from the fact that she’s advocated for the rights of Palestinians for years, following her evolution on the Israel-Palestine conflict. “I’m open about having worked to support the human rights of Palestinians,” she tells Rolling Stone."

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/julia-salazar-new-york-722616/


Glenn Beck...

[Tiggeroshii]

206. Not the hugest fan of dsa

Benefit of the doubt, they are new and still figuring out the kinks of being a national organization but not all of their candidates are going to be top notch. Hit and miss for sure.