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DemocratSinceBirth

(101,855 posts)
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:20 AM Feb 2018

Trump's speechwriter put a cigarette out on his wife's hand.



The Washington Post first reported Sorensen's resignation Friday evening, and reported that his ex-wife alleged that "he ran a car over her foot, put out a cigarette on her hand, threw her into a wall and grasped her menacingly by her hair while they were alone on their boat in remote waters off Maine's coast, an incident she said left her fearing for her life."
The Washington Post reported that it had been working on a story regarding the allegations made by Sorensen's ex-wife prior to Sorensen's resignation.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/09/politics/david-sorensen-white-house-resign-domestic-abuse-allegation/index.html




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Trump's speechwriter put a cigarette out on his wife's hand. (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 OP
So disturbing. FM123 Feb 2018 #1
Operative words: "Loved one." The answer to that is, no one can. These women are not Squinch Feb 2018 #4
I agree. I could never, ever do this. Or better yet, I WOULD never do this. PatrickforO Feb 2018 #17
We're circling around it, but no one is bringing up Ivana's comments about Trump(R) raping her. Squinch Feb 2018 #2
+1,000 n/t malaise Feb 2018 #7
She reported this to the FBI last year per wapo. Btw this is one of trumps evil speech writers lunasun Feb 2018 #3
The speechwriter one is strange Kentonio Feb 2018 #5
Abusers say that Marthe48 Feb 2018 #16
My dad did the same thing NickB79 Feb 2018 #22
Such a sad story for you Marthe48 Feb 2018 #31
Maybe he took pictures in the same manner as the Gov of MO is alleged to have done. Hugin Feb 2018 #27
Perfectly possible. Kentonio Feb 2018 #32
I wonder if these high profile reports of domestic violence and abuse will result in Arkansas Granny Feb 2018 #6
k&r DesertRat Feb 2018 #8
Cue the "who among us hasn't done that at one time or another" in 3 ... 2 ... nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2018 #9
Locker room talk... in 3, 2, 1. Hugin Feb 2018 #29
Cruelty and sadism are job qualifications in the Trump White House dalton99a Feb 2018 #10
It seems to be a party wide defect. Maggiemayhem Feb 2018 #14
My grandmother taught me a few things regarding women. Glamrock Feb 2018 #11
but he is the 'victim' grantcart Feb 2018 #12
Next: I think Kelly will be revealed to having tortured women and children. He NCjack Feb 2018 #13
Kelly is Flynn with a slightly higher rank Marthe48 Feb 2018 #18
More very fine people Blue Owl Feb 2018 #15
Domestic violence hurts millions every year. Lonestarblue Feb 2018 #19
What a swell bunch of chaps! smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #20
Disgusting! Physical abuse is a terrible thing. gvstn Feb 2018 #21
Good Gawd! But she deserved it, right? pandr32 Feb 2018 #23
This is Trump's kind of crowd. gay texan Feb 2018 #24
Dude claims "both sides" that the wife was abusing him too IronLionZion Feb 2018 #25
Trump "Hires All The BEST People" - that are willing to work with/for him.. sure I get that. vkkv Feb 2018 #26
I feel a ground swell perculating..domestic violence against women.. asiliveandbreathe Feb 2018 #28
Well the Republicans are the party of Nazis and child molesters, not surprising Luciferous Feb 2018 #30

FM123

(10,372 posts)
1. So disturbing.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:28 AM
Feb 2018

How does one look into the eyes of a loved one, take their hand in theirs and put out a cigarette in it?!?

Squinch

(59,528 posts)
4. Operative words: "Loved one." The answer to that is, no one can. These women are not
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:31 AM
Feb 2018

"loved ones." They are possessions, reflections, pets, projections. Anything but actual loved humans.

PatrickforO

(15,427 posts)
17. I agree. I could never, ever do this. Or better yet, I WOULD never do this.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 12:50 PM
Feb 2018

But we must ask why so many people in this culture do these terrible things. We live in a world where corporations have propagandized us to believe only the strong survive, and have planted fear of others that aren't like us to divide us against each other so they can continue their transfer of more and more wealth to a few.

Most people struggle to make ends meet, live under constant fear stemming from economic insecurity - worried about losing health insurance, or just becoming ill if they don't have insurance. A whole segment of our population has no benefits, and experiences absolute intolerance from employers if they are sick, or end up being late, no matter the reason. A huge number of these working poor smoke, are obese, or worse, take drugs. Why? To escape.

Trump called countries over in Africa 'shit holes,' but the capitalists have made this country a shit hole for most Americans. They really have.

Part of human nature is to strike out at those who are hurting us, and when someone doesn't have the capacity to strike back at what can colloquially be called 'the man,' then they strike out at those who are physically weaker. They feel weak, so they oppress those around them in order to feel strong.

It is all about greed. It always has been. If we organized our society around human need and recognized those who feverishly amass huge amounts of wealth as what they are - freaks - then people would feel a sense of meaning, of belonging, of having reasonable power over their destiny. Doubtless there would still be abuses, but I do not believe they would be as frequent or as egregious.

But then, I am and have always been an idealist, and what I see, unfortunately, is that our common sense of human decency, compassion and belongingness has been systematically and purposefully dulled by monied interests - billionaires and big capitalists. So, as Pink Floyd says, we have become comfortably numb. Unfortunately with this numbness comes all sorts of aberrant behavior.

Squinch

(59,528 posts)
2. We're circling around it, but no one is bringing up Ivana's comments about Trump(R) raping her.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:29 AM
Feb 2018

A fish rots from the head.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
5. The speechwriter one is strange
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:35 AM
Feb 2018

He says that he was the one being physically abused by her and claims he has pictures that support his allegations. It seems an odd rebuttal if false given the hyper-macho personas the Trump Republicans love to portray.

Porter looks guilty as hell, but I think on this Sorensen one I’m going to wait a little longer to see if anything further comes out.

Marthe48

(23,181 posts)
16. Abusers say that
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 12:49 PM
Feb 2018

Just like kids: "She started it." "She hit me first." He is deflecting the light-of-day attack on him. I saw a picture of them and he is taller and heavier. Like a head and a half taller. They might both get physical, but I doubt he is a victim. Just my opinion.

NickB79

(20,359 posts)
22. My dad did the same thing
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 01:01 PM
Feb 2018

Tried to strangle my mom, so my sister broke a coffee mug across the back of his head.

When the cops showed up (45 minutes later) he told the cops my mom attacked him, pointing to the egg on his head, and those bruises around my mom's throat were in self defense.

The cops threatened to arrest her if she pressed charges, so she didn't.

Marthe48

(23,181 posts)
31. Such a sad story for you
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 03:55 PM
Feb 2018

My Dad was verbally abusive. In his defense, they had a complicated relationship. He never hit my Mom and she always told us that hitting was wrong.

Hugin

(37,849 posts)
27. Maybe he took pictures in the same manner as the Gov of MO is alleged to have done.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 01:24 PM
Feb 2018

In order to counter any claims she would make at a later date.

All it shows me is intent.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
32. Perfectly possible.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 06:21 PM
Feb 2018

I just want to wait a little longer until the picture is clearer. Given the circles he moves in, it wouldn’t be at all surprising if he was another abuser, but I just don’t want to jump to conclusions. It just seems an odd thing for one of this group to claim if it isn’t true.

Arkansas Granny

(32,265 posts)
6. I wonder if these high profile reports of domestic violence and abuse will result in
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 10:38 AM
Feb 2018

more attention being called to this matter in the same way as the sexual assault stories. These abuses have been hidden and/or ignored for way too long and it's high time the abusers are exposed and face the consequences of their crimes.

Hugin

(37,849 posts)
29. Locker room talk... in 3, 2, 1.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 01:27 PM
Feb 2018

queue the violins and crocodile tears wailing about the potential lost to fake allegations.

Glamrock

(12,003 posts)
11. My grandmother taught me a few things regarding women.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:33 AM
Feb 2018

1) They are my equal
2) They don't belong on pedastals (see #1)
3) As a male in a male dominated society, it's my responsibility to protect the vulnerable (women in particular)

Boy do I miss that old girl......

That being said, this pos needs a good dose of his own medicine. I'd be happy to step up to that fuckin plate.

NCjack

(10,297 posts)
13. Next: I think Kelly will be revealed to having tortured women and children. He
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 11:54 AM
Feb 2018

certainly has empathy for those who do it.

Lonestarblue

(13,484 posts)
19. Domestic violence hurts millions every year.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 12:51 PM
Feb 2018

From NCADV.org: “On average, nearly 20 people per minute are physically abused by an intimate partner in the United States. During one year, this equates to more than 10 million women and men. 1 in 3 women and 1 in 4 men have been victims of [some form of] physical violence by an intimate partner within their lifetime.”

NBC News reported last year that 3 women die every day from domestic violence. PBS reported that an estimated 2 million men beat their partners each year. And, yes, men can be abused, but because of their greater body strength that is less common, though there is no excuse for their abuse either. We have become a violent society.

gvstn

(2,805 posts)
21. Disgusting! Physical abuse is a terrible thing.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 12:57 PM
Feb 2018

Emotional abuse is very bad but how does one physically hurt another for no reason? My dad was bad but he never hit me. Some semblance of decency there. Bad but he never hit me.

pandr32

(14,276 posts)
23. Good Gawd! But she deserved it, right?
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 01:05 PM
Feb 2018

These asshats see women as belongings and not people with rights. Hopefully, if there were kids they weren't abused as well. This guy shouldn't be allowed to own a pet, either.

gay texan

(3,218 posts)
24. This is Trump's kind of crowd.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 01:06 PM
Feb 2018

Having been on the receiving end of domestic violence, these sorts of people flock together. They are narcissists who crave Power over others at all costs.

IronLionZion

(51,278 posts)
25. Dude claims "both sides" that the wife was abusing him too
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 01:15 PM
Feb 2018

it's rare for a macho man to admit to being abused by a woman

Sorensen denied the allegations in a lengthy statement released Friday night to CNN and other media.
"I have never committed violence of any kind against any woman in my entire life," Sorensen wrote in the statement.
"In fact, I was the victim of repeated physical violence during our marriage, not her," he said, adding that he had consulted with an attorney and was "considering legal options to address her defamation."


Kelly needs to be fired for failing so hard at vetting these assholes

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
26. Trump "Hires All The BEST People" - that are willing to work with/for him.. sure I get that.
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 01:19 PM
Feb 2018

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
28. I feel a ground swell perculating..domestic violence against women..
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 01:25 PM
Feb 2018

WILL NOT BE TOLERATED...

He's the victim??? Pishtaw....

Gloria Steinem - our women's movement voice - still womens movement voice...see below - (today at Huffpo) - asked if she was concerned about what she said, and any backlash..."%%%k 'em"

Luciferous

(6,586 posts)
30. Well the Republicans are the party of Nazis and child molesters, not surprising
Sat Feb 10, 2018, 01:27 PM
Feb 2018

they are also the party of wife beaters

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